The Conscious Universe: Insights from Dr. Eben Alexander III
In this enlightening episode of Broken Beautiful Me - Stories of Hope, Gratitude & Resilience, co-hosted by Kelly Buckley and Tara LaFon Gooch, host of the GRASP Confidence podcast, we delve into the profound experiences and insights of Dr. Eben Alexander III.Dr. Alexander, a former neurosurgeon and New York Times bestselling author, shares his life-altering experience of surviving a near-death experience (NDE) that forever transformed his understanding of consciousness, life after death, and the mysteries of the universe.
Dr. Alexander's bestselling books—Proof of Heaven, The Map of Heaven, and Living in a Mindful Universe—have inspired millions to reconsider their beliefs about the afterlife and the interconnectedness of all things. His NDE challenges the traditional view of death, opening up new possibilities for understanding the conscious universe and the infinite nature of existence.
In this episode, we dive deep into the profound questions surrounding the afterlife, life beyond the physical body, and the bridge between science and spirituality. Dr. Alexander, with his unique combination of a medical background and spiritual insight, helps listeners navigate the complexities of consciousness, offering a transformative perspective on life, death, and the purpose of existence.
This conversation offers hope and inspiration, particularly for those struggling with grief, loss, or questions about the meaning of life. Whether you're a spiritual seeker, someone curious about NDEs, or looking for comfort during difficult times, this episode provides deep insights into the nature of reality and the possibilities that lie beyond the physical world.
Join Kelly Buckley and Tara LaFon Gooch for this eye-opening dialogue that is sure to expand your understanding of the universe and forever change the way you think about life, death, and consciousness.
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Hello, everyone.
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My name is Tara Lafon Gooch,
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and I'm the host of Grasp
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Confidence Podcast,
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and I have a special
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co-host with me today.
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Please introduce yourself.
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Hello, I am Kelly Buckley,
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and I am the host of Broken Beautiful Me,
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a podcast that tells
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stories about gratitude, hope,
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and resilience.
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And together,
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we are interviewing one of
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the most influential people in
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that really has one of the
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most incredible stories
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I've ever heard of.
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That's for sure.
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Kelly, don't you think so?
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Oh,
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I am so excited to talk to Dr. Alexander.
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I think it's going to be just remarkable.
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I have so many thoughts.
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Yes.
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So we're doing this special
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show together because we're
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going to pull elements of
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personal development,
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elements of spirituality,
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and contemplating existence itself.
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This is a very deep episode, everyone.
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So thank you so much for tuning in.
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And I want to introduce our next guest.
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Dr. Eben Alexander III is a
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former neurosurgeon and
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bestselling author.
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known for his near-death
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experience during a coma
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caused by bacterial meningitis in 2008.
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His experience detailed in A
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Proof of Heaven,
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a neurosurgeon's journey
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into the afterlife,
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challenged his scientific
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beliefs and led him to
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explore the nature of
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consciousness and the afterlife.
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Dr. Alexander now advocates
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for a deeper understanding
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of consciousness and the
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eternal soul through his
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writing and speaking engagements.
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Dr. Alexander, welcome to the show.
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Well, Tara and Kelly,
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it's great to be here today.
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I'm looking forward to our conversation.
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Wonderful.
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Kelly,
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I would love for you to start us off
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and let's pick his brain a
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little bit because I just
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want to know more about
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this incredible story.
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Kelly,
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I know you have a fantastic question.
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Okay.
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So I just,
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what I wanted to do was to begin
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for our listeners who may
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not be aware of your book
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or have read your book.
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And, you know,
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the experiences that you had
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that led to the view.
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Okay, well,
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I'll give you a brief kind of
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thumbnail vision of it all.
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At the time this happened,
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I was 54 years old,
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had spent my life honing a
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very scientific worldview.
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and thought that physicalism
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or materialism was the correct answer.
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That is that the entire
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universe just consists of
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the physical stuff that we
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can measure and that we consist of,
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et cetera,
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and that it all follows the
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laws of physics, chemistry, and biology.
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The problem is that sooner or later,
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you run into a big issue in
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trying to explain the
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nature of consciousness and
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free will with that model.
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especially because
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consciousness is much
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broader than just our
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little kind of mental phenomenon.
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This is something that's
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revealed in near-death experiences.
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Now,
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the reason my near-death experience
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was so important to the
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scientific community,
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and that's where very much
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of my support really lies
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in sharing this story,
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is because of the depth of my coma.
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You know, the Glasgow Coma Scales, the...
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extreme illness that and
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when you look at the
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medical parameters and they
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are corroborated in a
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medical case report so not
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just what I told in the
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book proof of heaven where
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I gave a lot of my medical
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details but also a medical
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case report by three
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doctors not involved in my
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care but fascinated by my
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recovery because it was
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unprecedented in the
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medical literature and
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that's really the value of
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my particular case to the
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nde literature is for me to have
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Any kind of phenomenal
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experience is really
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inexplicable because there
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was so much damage to all
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lobes of my brain.
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And modern neuroscience
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feels that the neocortex,
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the outer surface of the brain,
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is what really does all the
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human part of our consciousness.
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And that's why meningitis is
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such a perfect model for human death,
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especially an extremely
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severe case of
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gram-negative bacterial
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meningitis like I had.
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You know,
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there was no way for my brain to
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harbor any kind of dream or
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hallucination.
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That much is pretty much
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agreed upon by reviewing
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the medical records.
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So where did that
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extraordinary experience come from?
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And likewise, the recovery.
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You know,
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it truly is unprecedented to be
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so sick from this type of meningitis,
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be in deep coma for a week,
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and then end up making a full recovery,
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which happened to me over
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about two months after
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awakening from coma.
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And that extraordinary
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recovery demands an explanation.
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In fact,
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when the peer review editors for
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the journal challenged the
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three authors who wrote the report,
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they were not involved in my care,
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but fascinated by that recovery and said,
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how do you explain this?
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It's unprecedented.
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They said, well,
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this miraculous recovery is
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because he had a near death experience.
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And they knew of other cases
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like Anita Morjani, who wrote the book,
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Daring to Be Me.
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And she had an advanced
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stage four lymphoma.
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And that lymphoma just
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disappeared after her
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profound near-death experience,
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a deep spiritual journey.
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Likewise, Dr. Mary C. Neal,
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orthopedic surgeon,
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wrote a book called To Heaven and Back.
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And she had a profound NDE
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during a kayaking accident
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in Chile where she had an
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over 30-minute warm water drowning.
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uh was brought to the
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surface dead and yet she
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ended up making a full
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recovery she also had a
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rich spiritual journey so
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the big message to all of
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us from a scientific
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perspective is that this
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reveals something about our
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soul and about our our free
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will that goes far beyond
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materialist uh
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misconceptions uh and in fact uh
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Some of my greatest support
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has come from scientists
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who heard my story,
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have reviewed the medical details,
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and realize that this all
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points to a much grander
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universe than the
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simplistic and kind of false,
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bleak and paltry fiction of
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materialism that pretends
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that the brain creates consciousness.
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And that when we die, you know,
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consciousness stops.
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It doesn't.
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There's a tremendous body of evidence,
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as we discuss in our third book,
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Living in a Mindful Universe,
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evidence for the reality of
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soul and continuation of
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conscious awareness after
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permanent bodily death.
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And this is where the
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scientific community is
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really gonna help elevate
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and change this world.
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Because for the scientists
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who take all this seriously
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and study these cases,
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they indicate something far
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more profound about the
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nature of consciousness,
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about our relationship with the universe.
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Our whole sense of meaning
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and purpose in this
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lifetime is dramatically
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supported in a very
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positive fashion by
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acknowledging that the
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brain is not the creator of
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consciousness.
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but is simply a filter,
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a transceiver that allows
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us to connect to a
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primordial universal consciousness,
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to that God mind that so
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many near-death
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experiencers come to
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witness during their NDE.
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And they come back to this
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world knowing there's
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nothing to fear about death.
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that in fact it's not the
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end of our relationship with loved ones,
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that our souls continue on.
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So there's a tremendous
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amount of comfort that can
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come from this enhanced
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view that admits to the
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data as opposed to denying
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and debunking it,
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which is what materialist
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science has done for so long.
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And I'll also just put into
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this discussion
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that quantum physics,
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which is right at the heart
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of some of the deepest
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mystery of the last century
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of scientific investigation,
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is right at the core of
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this intersection of the
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physical world and the mental realm.
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And it shows really the
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primacy of the mental.
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That's why that Nobel Prize
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in 2022 for entanglement,
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the apparent connection of
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subatomic particles beyond space and time,
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is so important.
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in coming to a deeper
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understanding of the
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brain-mind connection and
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the nature of reality.
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And it's a view that greatly
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honors consciousness as
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kind of unified and primordial.
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And that is something that
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all of our minds are part of.
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This is a tremendous
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scientific revolution.
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It's of tremendous benefit
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uh because it it truly
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supports that we're
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spiritual beings in a
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spiritual universe the
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reality of soul the
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importance of the binding
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force of love which is an
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undeniable uh core issue uh
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revealed by near-death
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experiences shared death
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experiences which are just
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like near death but happen
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to uh people who are
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perfectly healthy like a
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loved one who might be a
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thousand miles away so at
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any rate that's kind of a
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a long-winded answer to your question,
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but the bottom line is my
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experience and the serious
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scientific investigation of
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these kinds of phenomena
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has greatly expanded our
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knowing of the nature of reality.
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And it's a reality that's
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far more comforting to the
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individual because it opens
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up the grand possibilities
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of free will and eternity
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of soul and of our soul relationships.
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uh and for this you can
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never forget gratitude
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because every breath is an
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incredible gift and that's
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one thing I've come to
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realize in my daily
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meditations uh you know I
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meditate an hour to a day
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using sacred acoustics form
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of binaural beat brainwave
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entrainment but all of this
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is about spiritual growth
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that each and every one of
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us has the power to pursue
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because we're all conscious
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sentient beings uh and this
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revolution is just in the
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nick of time because the
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bleak and paltry fiction of
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materialism and that false
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sense of separation has led
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us into a kind of a dark
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place in human development
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and it's really time to awaken
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these much grander
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possibilities of
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unification and the binding
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force of love and that we
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have shared meaning and
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purpose in our lives wow
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well you're speaking both
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kellyanne's language uh
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first of all especially
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with gratitude that is
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something that we are both
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uh practitioners of we like
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to consider ourselves
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teachers of gratitude
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Um, and I was,
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I'm on my third book and I'm
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going to be talking a lot
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about gratitude and the
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spirituality of it too, and how that it,
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it really bridges the
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connection with God.
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It's an, it's a prayer.
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It's a continuous prayer and practice.
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that brings you into that
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same energy as the divine.
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And it's so powerful, Eben,
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what you said there.
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And I'm wondering, you know,
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from a personal development perspective,
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what you said as well about
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the eternal soul and so much possibility,
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so much purpose that we
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have and potential that we all have,
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don't you think?
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Well,
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I think that is really gets right to
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the core of the issue,
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because if you truly follow
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our conventional scientific worldview,
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you would scoff at anyone
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who claims to have free will.
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And the mistake they make is they think,
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oh, well,
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we're all just physical beings
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in this physical universe
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that we can measure.
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And this thing we call
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consciousness must just be
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the result of the electron
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fluxes and chemical
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reactions in the brain.
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But they're all just
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following the laws of physics, chemistry,
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and biology,
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which really leaves no place
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whatsoever for free will.
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And the mistake they're
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making is thinking that we
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have access to some fundamental reality
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in this world.
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And that's why that is in
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the theater of space and
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time along the lines of
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what science has studied
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for centuries and tried to make sense of.
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And what they failed to
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acknowledge is what we're
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actually experiencing is a
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very heavily filtered
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version of some reality.
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And yet,
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one of the deepest lessons of
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quantum physics that has
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vexed the scientific
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community for the better
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part of a century and is
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only now finally at a point
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where we're getting to some
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kind of resolution and understanding
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is the concept of
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consciousness as being fundamental.
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That is,
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this phenomenal witnessing we have,
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and our interaction with
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the phenomenology of our
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mental experience is what
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actually drives the way the universe goes,
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because it's all fundamentally mental,
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not fundamentally material.
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And the material or physical universe is
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it emerges from the mental.
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And this is one of the most
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important ingredients of
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understanding why that
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Nobel Prize in 2022 for entanglement
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of subatomic particles was so critical.
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Now,
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there are many quantum physicists who
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simply will say that
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there's going to be some
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other kind of mechanistic
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material explanation for entanglement.
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And yet they obviously just
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haven't studied consciousness enough.
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Because once you study consciousness,
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especially all the evidence
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for non-local consciousness,
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like remote viewing, like telepathy.
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Read Guillaume Playfair's
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book on twin telepathy.
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You'll find more than 35% of
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identical twins have very
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powerful telepathic experiences.
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One twin might touch a hot stove.
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The other twin can be a
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thousand miles away and
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feels pain and develops a blister.
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Now,
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those are real phenomena when you
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study them.
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Now, people will say, well,
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I haven't had telepathy,
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so it can't be real.
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Well, when you study it scientifically,
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you'll find telepathy is a
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very real phenomenon.
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And if you open your belief system,
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you'll soon start to find
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that you have the powers of
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telepathic communication with others,
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too.
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So...
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Then you have remote viewing,
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which is probably one of
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the most widely supported
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kind of scientifically
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studied aspects of
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non-local consciousness.
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You've heard of the psychic
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spy programs of remote
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viewers being able to
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discern military
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intelligence across the globe.
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I mean, some of the remote viewers,
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for example, Ingo Swann,
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was able to remote view the
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blue ring of Jupiter back in 1973,
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six years before the
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Voyager spacecraft went by
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Jupiter and imaged the blue
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ring of Jupiter.
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So a remote viewing is a
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very powerful technique for
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accessing knowledge.
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And as Jessica Utz,
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the head of the American
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Statistical Association said,
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said in her presidential address in 2015,
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remote viewing, telepathy, precognition,
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these things have been
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proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
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If they weren't so sensitive
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because they suggest the
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reality of a spiritual
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universe and of a universal consciousness,
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they would have been
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admitted by science to
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being real long time ago.
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And yet they hit a touch
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point because we've had
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such a conflict in our
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culture over centuries
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between some form of
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spirituality or maybe a
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religion and science and
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scientific investigations.
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But in the 20th and early 21st century,
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we finally found the
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evidence that consciousness
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truly is something
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fundamental and not just
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derivative from the material.
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And that the brain seems to
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be serving more as a filter
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or transceiver that allows
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consciousness to express as
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a little eddy current of
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that primordial mind.
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And yet when we die,
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we reunite with that primordial mind.
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That's what near-death experience is,
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life reviews,
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your entire life flashing
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before your eyes, birth to death,
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everything in between,
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simultaneously presented,
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and not just as memories,
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but as reliving of the events.
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And the other important
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thing to say about life reviews,
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and this is not just from my experience,
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but from Bruce Grayson, MD,
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university of virginia and
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he's written on more than
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700 life reviews in his
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extensive database on
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on near-death experiences
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and reports that something
00:16:45
like 74% see a life review
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as from the perspective of
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everybody involved.
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That's why it's like the
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golden rule written into
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the fabric of the universe.
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Because if you've handed out
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a lot of pain and suffering
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to other people in your life review,
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you get on the receiving
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end of that kind of
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thinking and behavior.
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And if it's very painful to others,
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you get to feel that pain.
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So the life review really is
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treat others as you would
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like to be treated because
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in the life review,
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you're going to feel what it feels like.
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who have treated people the
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way you lived your life.
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And that's why it serves as
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a gentle course correction
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to gently nudge us towards
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love and compassion and kindness, mercy,
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acceptance, and of course,
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never forget gratitude.
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These are the main
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ingredients that are
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suggested by near-death experiences.
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And now that the scientific community
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is taking them very
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seriously as a real aspect
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of human existence,
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we're coming up with much
00:17:46
better models of how it all works.
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And for any of your audience
00:17:49
who want to see the
00:17:51
indisputable scientific
00:17:53
proof of the reality of the
00:17:55
afterlife and of reincarnation,
00:17:57
because that is a giant part of it all,
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go to bigelowinstitute.org.
00:18:02
You will find 29 essays that
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were written in 2021 in an essay contest.
00:18:08
And they all were written by
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scientists who had at least
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five years experience
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studying the afterlife issue.
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And you will find overwhelming evidence
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for the scientific
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validation of continuation
00:18:21
of conscious awareness
00:18:22
after permanent bodily
00:18:23
death at bigelowinstitute.org.
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Tremendous amount of information.
00:18:27
Of course, our third book,
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Living in a Mindful Universe,
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covers a lot of similar
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material and goes even
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further in terms of
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integrating it all into a
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model that works to explain
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the nature of reality,
00:18:41
of eternity of soul,
00:18:44
and that we're truly
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spiritual beings in a spiritual universe.
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Amazing.
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Kelly,
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I know you have a burning question
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that you're dying to ask
00:18:55
him about the life review, right?
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I can feel it.
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It's interesting.
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So the origin of my work is
00:19:03
I work with a group.
00:19:05
I actually started doing
00:19:06
that after the loss of my son, Stephen,
00:19:08
in 2009.
00:19:10
And that year,
00:19:12
I call it the most awake year of my life.
00:19:17
because I felt connected to
00:19:18
something that I had not
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experienced before.
00:19:22
And, um, as I was reading the material, um,
00:19:26
I realized that I had
00:19:27
written something about that life review.
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Um,
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it would call it God's special real
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love film.
00:19:35
And I, and I said, you know,
00:19:36
you kind of go into this
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theater and you're
00:19:38
presented with how you have
00:19:41
lived your life and the
00:19:43
cutting room floor,
00:19:45
is where you missed an
00:19:46
opportunity to love someone,
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or you missed an
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opportunity to forgive someone.
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And it's just, I have to say,
00:19:54
I'm so thankful for you
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because it's validating for
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me that as I was writing that,
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I felt I knew it was true.
00:20:02
I knew that that was the truth.
00:20:06
And I always say that I was
00:20:07
just the typist in that first year,
00:20:09
you know, as I was breathing.
00:20:11
But I was so thankful for
00:20:15
the wisdom that came with that.
00:20:17
So the life review,
00:20:20
what can you say to people
00:20:22
about how they can think
00:20:25
about their own life review
00:20:26
without actually
00:20:27
experiencing any of that?
00:20:30
Well, I will tell you that my wife,
00:20:33
my partner in all this work,
00:20:34
the co-author of that book,
00:20:35
Living the Mindful Universe, Karen Newell,
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has often reminded me of
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the daily review.
00:20:41
You know, why save it?
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For the end of your life.
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And this is something that's
00:20:47
a very natural result, for example,
00:20:49
of meditation,
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of regular meditation or
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centering prayer.
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For me,
00:20:53
centering prayer and meditation are
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one the same thing.
00:20:56
I use a very powerful tool
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in the form of sacred acoustics,
00:20:59
binaural beat brainwave entrainment.
00:21:02
We explain a lot of that in the book,
00:21:04
Living in a Mindful Universe,
00:21:06
about how this is such a
00:21:07
powerful mode for helping
00:21:09
to liberate your conscious
00:21:10
awareness from the little ego mind.
00:21:13
Important to point out that
00:21:14
that little voice in your
00:21:15
head is not your consciousness.
00:21:18
I love how Michael Singer in his book,
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The Untethered Soul,
00:21:21
he calls that voice in your head,
00:21:22
the annoying roommate.
00:21:24
That's very, very important to get.
00:21:27
That is not your consciousness.
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Your consciousness is your
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awareness of those thoughts.
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But in fact,
00:21:33
that awareness has access to
00:21:36
much grander aspects of self.
00:21:39
And I'm sorry for your loss,
00:21:42
but you're pointing out a beautiful,
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beautiful
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aspect of that kind of
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tragedy of losing a loved
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one is that often we are
00:21:51
then gifted with some form
00:21:53
of after-death communication,
00:21:55
a great clarity that their
00:21:57
soul is still here and is
00:21:59
alive in the here and now.
00:22:01
And it's not just wishful thinking.
00:22:03
That's the important thing.
00:22:04
There's so many examples of
00:22:06
people getting very real
00:22:09
and important information.
00:22:10
For example, health information,
00:22:14
I know a colleague of ours, Larry Burke,
00:22:16
has written a book on premonitory dreams.
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And his book addressed just breast cancer,
00:22:24
I believe, was the focus of it.
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But a number of cases where
00:22:29
people had premonitory dreams,
00:22:30
and I can say that often
00:22:32
dreams like that involve a
00:22:35
loved one who gives us that information.
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That we need to go to the doctor, you know,
00:22:39
that there's a mass in the
00:22:40
breast or what have you.
00:22:42
So it's not just kind of
00:22:43
wishful thinking about, oh,
00:22:45
I wish I could reconnect with them.
00:22:46
But often they come to us
00:22:48
with useful life important
00:22:50
information like, you know,
00:22:51
medical data that says get
00:22:53
this particular thing checked out.
00:22:56
So the more we develop this
00:22:58
relationship with kind of our higher soul,
00:23:00
as I like to put it,
00:23:02
and I promise you these
00:23:03
differential frequency
00:23:04
brainwave entrainment of sacred acoustics,
00:23:06
people can learn more at
00:23:08
sacredacoustics.com,
00:23:09
but it's an incredibly
00:23:11
powerful way of kind of
00:23:12
letting that ego voice make a request,
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ask a question.
00:23:17
But then at the beginning of
00:23:18
the meditation,
00:23:19
the ego voice just goes
00:23:20
into timeout as I've
00:23:21
learned to ride the tones,
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coast with those tones.
00:23:25
And what they seem to be
00:23:27
doing is by creating an
00:23:29
oscillation in the lower brainstem.
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And that's what the binaural
00:23:33
beats are doing.
00:23:33
It's a phenomenon that's
00:23:34
been described for almost
00:23:35
200 years where a pure tone
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in one ear and a slightly
00:23:39
different pure tone in the other ear
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gives a strong signal that's
00:23:43
equal to the arithmetic
00:23:45
difference between the two.
00:23:46
So if I put a 100 hertz tone
00:23:48
in one ear and 104 hertz in the other ear,
00:23:51
I'll get a four hertz wavering signal.
00:23:55
And that is what I've
00:23:57
learned to ride and just
00:23:59
kind of blank my little ego mind,
00:24:01
but let that kind of
00:24:03
connection with higher mind.
00:24:04
Basically,
00:24:05
you're trying to get into a
00:24:06
hypnagogic space.
00:24:08
That is like the space
00:24:09
between awake and asleep.
00:24:11
And we know, you know,
00:24:13
from long experience,
00:24:14
various inventors have used
00:24:16
techniques of getting into
00:24:17
that hypnagogic space when
00:24:19
they had a deep question to answer.
00:24:22
Like Thomas Edison,
00:24:23
one of the greatest inventors.
00:24:24
He was kind of a lead at
00:24:26
General Electric in the
00:24:27
early days with hundreds of patents.
00:24:30
And he used to drift off to
00:24:31
sleep with weights in his
00:24:32
hands and they'd wake him
00:24:34
up as soon as he started to fall asleep.
00:24:36
But just by getting those
00:24:37
few seconds of micro naps
00:24:39
of hypnagogia between awake and asleep,
00:24:42
all of a sudden you have
00:24:42
these creative ideas.
00:24:44
And he learned to really use
00:24:46
that creativity,
00:24:47
use that hypnagogic space.
00:24:49
And sacred acoustics is a
00:24:50
beautiful way to start to
00:24:52
practice a way of getting
00:24:54
into that hypnagogic space,
00:24:56
which is really an overlap
00:24:58
of your mind with the mind
00:24:59
of the universe.
00:25:00
So a great source of creativity,
00:25:03
of insight, of understanding,
00:25:05
of spiritual guidance,
00:25:07
connecting with souls of
00:25:08
departed loved ones.
00:25:09
All these kinds of things
00:25:10
can happen in that hypnagogic space.
00:25:12
And sacredacoustics.com,
00:25:14
binaural beat brainwave entrainment,
00:25:16
is an incredibly powerful
00:25:18
and effective way for you
00:25:20
to turn off the little ego
00:25:21
mind that little chatterbox
00:25:23
monkey mind in the head and
00:25:25
start really pursuing your
00:25:26
higher soul and that
00:25:27
grander wisdom that comes
00:25:29
from connecting with
00:25:30
primordial mind and these
00:25:32
are all concepts that we
00:25:33
cover in detail for both
00:25:35
practical and theoretical
00:25:37
implications in the book
00:25:38
living in a mindful universe
00:25:41
you mentioned ego and I was
00:25:44
just talking to kelly this
00:25:45
weekend about ego and she
00:25:47
has something phenomenal I
00:25:49
want you to tell him what
00:25:51
you say about ego kelly um
00:25:54
I i always say I'm I'm not
00:25:56
really sure the origins of
00:25:58
this I feel like um I met
00:26:00
wayne dyer about 10 years
00:26:01
ago and I feel like it may
00:26:02
have come from him um but I
00:26:05
always call ego edging god and you know
00:26:10
And you lose the perspective
00:26:13
when you let ego come into
00:26:15
that conversation, you know,
00:26:17
when you're living your life.
00:26:18
And if you just move that out of the way,
00:26:21
you open yourself up to the
00:26:23
magic that is all around us that,
00:26:26
you know, sometimes we just fail to see.
00:26:29
Well, that is a very important point.
00:26:31
I'm so glad you made that.
00:26:33
You know, in my journey,
00:26:35
people who've read the book
00:26:36
Proof of Heaven will realize,
00:26:38
first of all,
00:26:38
that it was amnesia was an
00:26:40
unusual ingredient of my NDE.
00:26:42
In fact,
00:26:42
I've never heard of amnesia being
00:26:44
that big a part of
00:26:45
someone's near-death experience.
00:26:47
But for me,
00:26:48
I had no knowledge of Eben
00:26:49
Alexander's life, no knowledge of humans,
00:26:51
Earth, this universe.
00:26:52
It really was an empty slate.
00:26:54
And what I've discovered is
00:26:56
that NDEs are always
00:26:58
tailored for the individual
00:26:59
that has them.
00:27:00
They really have no other purpose.
00:27:02
But when you study them en masse,
00:27:04
we study big numbers of NDEs,
00:27:06
we find a lot of commonalities.
00:27:09
But in mine,
00:27:09
it was unusual to have that amnesia,
00:27:11
but it allowed for an
00:27:12
extraordinary lesson for
00:27:14
someone interested in neuroscience,
00:27:16
phenomena of memory and
00:27:17
consciousness to go through
00:27:19
this because it really
00:27:21
defied most of my
00:27:22
materialist preconceptions
00:27:24
about it all and truly
00:27:25
opened me to a far grander
00:27:28
kind of vision of,
00:27:29
of what this could all mean
00:27:30
and where it was headed.
00:27:31
Um, but the, uh,
00:27:34
The amnesia allowed me to go
00:27:36
into these many different levels.
00:27:37
And I started in what I call
00:27:38
the earth or my view
00:27:39
primitive course on responsive,
00:27:41
but then through a musical
00:27:42
melody of light,
00:27:44
a light portal was led up
00:27:45
into this brilliant ultra
00:27:47
real gateway Valley.
00:27:48
Now that of course would be
00:27:49
where life reviews would happen.
00:27:51
that kind of area.
00:27:53
That's where I had that
00:27:54
beautiful guardian angel on
00:27:55
the butterfly wing and this
00:27:56
incredible beauty down below,
00:27:58
kind of a world of perfection.
00:28:00
There was no death or decay at all.
00:28:02
And yet that was not the end
00:28:03
point of my journey.
00:28:04
And there was a beautiful
00:28:05
message from that spiritual
00:28:07
guide on the butterfly wing.
00:28:08
And of course,
00:28:09
it was a discovery of her
00:28:10
identity four months after my coma.
00:28:12
that drove home the reality
00:28:14
of the experience.
00:28:15
But importantly,
00:28:16
that was only a stepping
00:28:18
stone in my journey because
00:28:19
the angelic choirs that
00:28:21
created such a sense of
00:28:22
ultra reality in that
00:28:24
gateway valley provided yet
00:28:26
another light portal to
00:28:27
higher and higher levels.
00:28:29
And I saw all of
00:28:29
four-dimensional space-time
00:28:31
collapsing down, all of that deep,
00:28:34
ultra-reality of what I call
00:28:37
the gateway valley, that spiritual realm,
00:28:39
collapsing down until all I
00:28:41
had was this complex
00:28:43
oversphere that was
00:28:44
basically the entire
00:28:45
universe throughout all of eternity.
00:28:47
And I was then in this core,
00:28:48
as I called it,
00:28:49
and the core was a complete oneness.
00:28:52
All dualities come into oneness.
00:28:53
We live in a world of
00:28:55
dualities where you have masculine,
00:28:57
feminine,
00:28:57
dark, light, good, evil, et cetera,
00:28:59
et cetera,
00:29:00
all these spectra of ranges of things.
00:29:02
But in that core realm,
00:29:04
it all came together into oneness.
00:29:05
And not only that,
00:29:07
I recognize that the very
00:29:08
source of my conscious
00:29:09
awareness was that pure God
00:29:12
force of pure love.
00:29:13
And that's why NDEs are so comforting.
00:29:16
That's why more than 90% of
00:29:18
people who have had an NDE
00:29:21
across all cultures and belief systems,
00:29:23
and this includes a lot of
00:29:24
people who were previously
00:29:25
atheist or agnostic,
00:29:27
More than 90% of them come
00:29:29
back knowing in the reality of a loving,
00:29:32
personal,
00:29:33
responsible intelligence at the
00:29:35
core of the universe.
00:29:37
And what I came to realize
00:29:38
is it doesn't matter if you
00:29:39
want to call that force God or Allah,
00:29:42
Brahman, Vishnu, Jehovah, Yahweh,
00:29:44
Great Spirit.
00:29:45
These are all names of
00:29:46
humans trying to claim it.
00:29:48
But the deeper reality is
00:29:50
we're all talking about the
00:29:51
same infinitely loving, merciful force
00:29:55
kind, focused,
00:29:58
unconditionally loving
00:29:59
presence of a God force.
00:30:01
And that is what brings such comfort.
00:30:04
But to me,
00:30:05
the important thing is that that
00:30:07
was really the source of my
00:30:09
conscious awareness.
00:30:09
So none of us are ever
00:30:11
separate in any way from that God force.
00:30:15
It's always there in a very powerful form.
00:30:17
right in the core of our awareness.
00:30:19
But it helps to traverse
00:30:21
that veil that connects us
00:30:23
to the spiritual realm so
00:30:25
that we are more into that oneness.
00:30:27
And this is where centering
00:30:29
prayer and deep meditation
00:30:31
can help any and all of us
00:30:33
to get to the same kind of
00:30:34
knowing and knowledge.
00:30:35
You don't have to have an NDE.
00:30:37
It certainly helps to have
00:30:39
one as a touch point,
00:30:41
but to even hear about NDEs
00:30:43
is a great catalyst to help
00:30:44
all the rest of us
00:30:46
grow into this deeper spiritual truth.
00:30:49
But we have the tools as a
00:30:50
conscious sentient being to
00:30:53
explore consciousness
00:30:54
through meditation and centering prayer.
00:30:56
And that's where you start
00:30:57
to discover that it's far
00:30:59
grander than this little ego focused,
00:31:02
you know, conscious awareness.
00:31:04
It's only in the here and now in this body,
00:31:06
but far grander than that.
00:31:08
And that's where I think
00:31:10
it's so important for all
00:31:11
of us to reject that bleak
00:31:14
and paltry fiction and materialism.
00:31:16
that we're isolated
00:31:18
individual sentient beings
00:31:19
with no connection to the
00:31:21
universe and to each other.
00:31:23
And of course,
00:31:23
this notion of spirituality
00:31:25
also greatly encompasses
00:31:27
the animal and plant kingdom.
00:31:29
So don't think that animals
00:31:31
don't have a rich kind of
00:31:32
spiritual existence.
00:31:33
I've heard many a story of
00:31:35
people who are pet lovers
00:31:37
who encounter their pets in
00:31:39
beautiful ways in near-death experiences.
00:31:42
In fact,
00:31:43
it's really as humans with our
00:31:44
little ego mind,
00:31:45
that linguistic brain that
00:31:47
we're led away from some of
00:31:49
these spiritual truths that
00:31:50
I think can be kind of
00:31:51
obvious to animals.
00:31:52
And that's why that whole
00:31:53
predator prey dance of
00:31:56
animals eating animals is
00:31:57
not as painful and horrific
00:31:59
as we might think is
00:32:00
because the animals are
00:32:01
used to the fact that they
00:32:04
have a continuity of life,
00:32:05
that they come back again and again.
00:32:07
And this is something humans can realize,
00:32:09
not just through NDEs,
00:32:11
But for example,
00:32:12
through the work of Christopher Kerr,
00:32:14
a hospice and palliative
00:32:16
care doc in Buffalo, New York,
00:32:18
who wrote a beautiful book
00:32:19
about five years ago called
00:32:21
Death is But a Dream.
00:32:22
And he doesn't study NDEs at all.
00:32:25
What he studies are people
00:32:26
who are actually dying.
00:32:28
And what he finds is exactly
00:32:30
the same things happen.
00:32:31
And they have elements of
00:32:33
life review even in the
00:32:34
weeks before they die.
00:32:35
They have kind of a
00:32:36
prolonged death and not a sudden death.
00:32:39
They go through dreams and
00:32:40
visions where they reunite
00:32:42
with souls who have left the world.
00:32:44
And they go through resolution.
00:32:46
to where they make amends and, you know,
00:32:49
apologies and express love
00:32:52
and compassion and kindness,
00:32:54
just like we often describe
00:32:56
in NDEs and life reviews.
00:32:58
But this is something that's
00:32:59
a natural part of hospice
00:33:01
and terminal care.
00:33:02
So it's really part of the
00:33:03
human condition.
00:33:05
And it shows us, you know,
00:33:07
we are eternal spiritual beings.
00:33:09
And this is a scientifically
00:33:11
validated truth.
00:33:13
And we're just getting more
00:33:14
and more to a point where
00:33:15
we have theoretical models.
00:33:17
The philosophical position
00:33:19
that I currently think is
00:33:20
most on point is called
00:33:22
evolutionary panentheism.
00:33:24
Panentheism basically means that God force,
00:33:27
that one mind of love is
00:33:30
through all of us and it's
00:33:31
what generates the emerging
00:33:32
physical universe.
00:33:34
Evolutionary means there's
00:33:35
truly free will and quantum
00:33:37
indeterminacy from the
00:33:39
world of quantum physics is
00:33:40
what opens the door to actual free will.
00:33:43
Even though I think there
00:33:44
are fascinating discussions
00:33:46
about how much is determined by
00:33:48
you know,
00:33:49
and how much is due to our
00:33:51
choices as sentient beings
00:33:53
in determining our emergent worldview.
00:33:55
And I think there's a lot of
00:33:56
evidence for free will
00:33:58
playing a tremendous role
00:34:00
in our emerging reality.
00:34:01
And it's not just a deterministic universe,
00:34:04
which is what a lot of
00:34:05
those materialists falsely believe.
00:34:08
I love that.
00:34:09
It's so poignant.
00:34:10
And you're talking about the
00:34:12
golden rule of
00:34:14
Not just our life reviews,
00:34:16
but our daily reviews, right?
00:34:18
The impact that we're creating.
00:34:20
And Kelly talks a lot about
00:34:22
the ripple effect.
00:34:24
So powerful.
00:34:25
But, you know,
00:34:26
I can't help but think you
00:34:28
come from the scientific background.
00:34:31
You know, in my work,
00:34:33
I work with a lot of people
00:34:34
that are trying to share their story.
00:34:37
Maybe they're afraid of criticism.
00:34:40
Maybe they're afraid of rejection.
00:34:44
That their peers,
00:34:45
their colleagues are going to judge.
00:34:50
I can't imagine this was
00:34:52
easy for you being from the scientific,
00:34:55
this neurosurgeon background,
00:34:56
deeply scientific.
00:34:58
I'm out with this.
00:35:00
Can you talk to us a little
00:35:01
bit about that?
00:35:02
Well, you know, ultimately,
00:35:04
at the end of the day,
00:35:05
you have to explain this
00:35:06
extraordinary recovery.
00:35:07
I mean,
00:35:08
that's what the peer review editors
00:35:11
of the Journal of Nervous
00:35:12
and Mental Diseases
00:35:13
challenged the three
00:35:14
authors who wrote the case
00:35:15
report on My Medical Records.
00:35:17
How do you explain it?
00:35:18
This is unprecedented in the
00:35:20
medical literature.
00:35:21
And they said it's because
00:35:22
he had a near-death experience.
00:35:24
That is the explanation.
00:35:26
It's simply scientific
00:35:28
acceptance of the reality
00:35:30
of this kind of miraculous healing.
00:35:32
Now, you know,
00:35:33
interesting that in medicine,
00:35:35
we look back over the last
00:35:37
seven or eight decades and
00:35:38
we've been using placebo
00:35:39
effect as the great gold
00:35:42
standard for medical control trials.
00:35:46
And placebo effect is much
00:35:47
more than just a sugar pill
00:35:49
fixing a headache.
00:35:51
Placebo effect is an extraordinary tool
00:35:54
demonstration of the power
00:35:56
of human belief and will to
00:35:59
influence our emerging reality.
00:36:01
And if you go beyond, uh, you know,
00:36:03
just placebo effect and it's, uh, um,
00:36:07
kind of beautiful example of
00:36:09
how somebody believing
00:36:10
they're doing something to
00:36:11
make them better can make
00:36:12
them much better.
00:36:14
And then you can work your
00:36:16
way into the world of
00:36:18
spontaneous remission of diseases.
00:36:20
For example, if you go to noetic.org,
00:36:23
Institute of Noetic's website,
00:36:24
you'll find,
00:36:25
put in the search term
00:36:26
spontaneous remission,
00:36:28
you'll find a book that
00:36:29
they published in the mid 1990s.
00:36:30
It was by, I think it's,
00:36:35
Hirschberg and O'Reilly or
00:36:36
something like that.
00:36:37
I might have the names wrong,
00:36:39
but if you do that search,
00:36:40
you can find it on the Noetic website.
00:36:42
And they studied more than
00:36:43
3 cases of advanced cancers,
00:36:47
advanced infections, what have you,
00:36:49
where people had exhausted
00:36:51
all the modern medical
00:36:53
techniques available and
00:36:55
were left with a disease
00:36:56
that was out of control.
00:36:58
And in those 3 plus cases,
00:37:00
through prayer, meditation,
00:37:03
through adopting a more
00:37:05
kind of spiritual lifestyle,
00:37:08
taking charge of their own health,
00:37:11
sometimes changing their diet,
00:37:12
things like that,
00:37:13
you start to find this
00:37:15
tremendous capacity for
00:37:17
spontaneous remission of diseases.
00:37:19
In fact,
00:37:21
There's a beautiful book,
00:37:23
it's called Radical Remission,
00:37:25
where I think Kelly Turner wrote that.
00:37:28
And she took more than a
00:37:29
thousand cases from that
00:37:31
noetics sciences database
00:37:34
that were all cancer.
00:37:35
And she found the features
00:37:37
that allowed them to
00:37:38
overcome their cancer
00:37:39
beyond any medical intervention.
00:37:41
And six of the nine features
00:37:43
she identified were mainly spiritual.
00:37:46
you know,
00:37:46
taking a spiritual approach to life,
00:37:48
et cetera.
00:37:48
But this is just showing us
00:37:50
the power that we have with
00:37:52
mind over matter and
00:37:53
admitting to the spiritual
00:37:55
realities that are revealed
00:37:57
by these kinds of cases.
00:37:58
And when you move placebo effect,
00:38:01
spontaneous remission,
00:38:02
you then get to these
00:38:03
extraordinary cases of
00:38:04
healing and near death
00:38:06
experiences that completely
00:38:08
defies Western medical expectations.
00:38:12
And that's where we really
00:38:13
just have to start taking seriously.
00:38:15
that our free will and our
00:38:16
kind of spiritual identity
00:38:19
can actually drive the bus
00:38:21
and actually influence our healing.
00:38:24
And it turns out, of course,
00:38:25
none of us are meant to live forever.
00:38:27
So we're all meant to leave
00:38:29
this physical body in some way or form.
00:38:32
But in prayer and meditation,
00:38:34
we can seek that highest road.
00:38:36
And what I have found is the
00:38:38
more we're adopting this
00:38:40
beautiful sense of love, compassion,
00:38:43
kindness, mercy, acceptance,
00:38:45
gratitude for self,
00:38:46
and then serving as a
00:38:47
conduit to share that out
00:38:49
to our fellow beings,
00:38:51
That kind of thing, you know,
00:38:52
you give love out to the
00:38:53
world and the love gives
00:38:55
you love and healing back.
00:38:57
And so that is what I think
00:38:58
is most important about
00:38:59
this is all of this talk of
00:39:01
consciousness and free will.
00:39:04
ultimately hinges on that
00:39:06
beautiful power of love,
00:39:10
binding force of love,
00:39:11
which is tremendously
00:39:12
healing to near-death experiencers.
00:39:15
And that's why it's so
00:39:16
important to share these stories.
00:39:18
And you had talked about how
00:39:21
many people don't share
00:39:22
these stories because they
00:39:23
think people think they're crazy.
00:39:25
And that's one of the
00:39:26
reasons why I wrote the
00:39:27
book Proof of Heaven,
00:39:28
and I wrote it as a scientist,
00:39:30
and it has a big
00:39:31
bibliography full of
00:39:32
scientific papers and books.
00:39:34
That's why if you go to ebanalexander.com,
00:39:37
to my website,
00:39:38
you'll find a recommended
00:39:39
reading list that has a lot
00:39:41
of scientific papers and
00:39:43
books referenced in it.
00:39:44
They're all categorized.
00:39:46
Some of them are hot links
00:39:47
to the actual scientific paper,
00:39:50
and that recommended reading list will be
00:39:52
get you way on your way in
00:39:54
terms of coming to a deeper
00:39:55
understanding of all of
00:39:57
this but it's all supported
00:39:58
by science you know the
00:40:01
religious community has had
00:40:02
more than 5 000 years to
00:40:04
try and teach us the golden
00:40:06
rule that love is built
00:40:07
into the fabric of this
00:40:08
universe and now ultimately
00:40:10
it looks like it's going to
00:40:11
be science quantum physics
00:40:13
and the serious
00:40:14
investigation these kind of phenomena
00:40:17
including, you know,
00:40:18
investigation of telepathy,
00:40:20
mind over matter, psychokinesis,
00:40:23
remote viewing,
00:40:24
all of these kind of
00:40:24
extraordinary phenomena of
00:40:26
consciousness that some
00:40:27
people have very powerfully,
00:40:29
but other people, you know,
00:40:31
and a lot of this is your beliefs.
00:40:33
Be careful what you believe.
00:40:35
Because if you believe this
00:40:36
is all nonsense,
00:40:37
you'll never be able to
00:40:38
discover it in yourself
00:40:39
unless you get knocked in
00:40:40
the head with a soul who's
00:40:42
passed who wants to knock
00:40:44
some sense into you.
00:40:45
And that's where after-death
00:40:46
communications are so important.
00:40:49
But ultimately, our beliefs,
00:40:51
most of our societal
00:40:52
beliefs in our modern
00:40:53
culture are falsely limiting.
00:40:56
And that's where it's so
00:40:57
important to open our minds
00:40:59
to these grander
00:41:00
possibilities and
00:41:01
ultimately to realize that, you know,
00:41:04
ego toxicity is not your friend.
00:41:08
I will point out as a
00:41:09
physician that alcoholism, addiction,
00:41:12
drug addiction,
00:41:12
and also addiction to things, sex, love,
00:41:15
work, exercise.
00:41:17
People can be addicted to a lot of things.
00:41:19
And ultimately addictions
00:41:22
are where whatever this hyper focus is,
00:41:25
it ends up kind of wrecking
00:41:26
other parts of your life.
00:41:28
And addiction is ultimately
00:41:30
an ego disease.
00:41:32
And this is where, you know,
00:41:35
turning it over to a higher power,
00:41:37
like an AA programs that
00:41:38
I'm familiar with from
00:41:39
stopping alcohol back in 1991.
00:41:41
You know,
00:41:42
it was never a problem for me at work,
00:41:44
but it was something that
00:41:45
on my nights off call,
00:41:47
I leaned a little too
00:41:47
heavily on that scotch.
00:41:49
And I know a lot of people
00:41:50
out there have addiction problems.
00:41:52
And that's why I share that
00:41:54
that was part of my issue.
00:41:56
Also that I was adopted.
00:41:57
It's a giant part of my story.
00:41:59
If you read proof of heaven, uh, in fact,
00:42:02
uh,
00:42:03
It was only meeting my birth
00:42:04
family a year before my
00:42:06
coma that helped me when I
00:42:08
received a picture in the
00:42:09
mail four months after my
00:42:10
coma from that birth family
00:42:12
to finally connect the dots and go, oh,
00:42:15
my God, it actually happened.
00:42:17
You know,
00:42:18
identify that beautiful guardian
00:42:20
angel on the butterfly wing.
00:42:21
All these pieces are important.
00:42:23
Because my adoption history
00:42:25
is one of being put up for
00:42:26
adoption at age 11 days.
00:42:28
My birth mother was an unwed 16-year-old.
00:42:32
And as far as I ever knew,
00:42:33
my birth parents got
00:42:34
separated in those moments.
00:42:36
That was the end.
00:42:37
They never got together.
00:42:38
And then I found out in the year 2000.
00:42:41
that they had gotten together,
00:42:42
they got married and had three children,
00:42:44
but that one of those
00:42:45
children had already died,
00:42:46
that my younger sister had passed over.
00:42:49
And all that's a huge part
00:42:50
of the story in Proof of Heaven.
00:42:51
I won't dwell on it now,
00:42:53
but important to point out
00:42:55
that with my history of the
00:42:58
alcoholism and successfully
00:43:01
rising above it,
00:43:02
and also the adoption wound,
00:43:04
abandonment wound,
00:43:05
I think even though for
00:43:06
many people who are not adopted,
00:43:09
We all have kind of a
00:43:11
separation from spirit
00:43:12
wound that comes in our
00:43:15
modern culture with its
00:43:16
focus on materialism and
00:43:19
it's a kind of denial of
00:43:20
our spiritual reality.
00:43:22
And this is where waking up
00:43:24
to the scientifically
00:43:26
validated reality of spirituality,
00:43:28
that we're spiritual beings
00:43:29
that are interconnected,
00:43:31
reincarnation is a giant
00:43:33
part of the picture.
00:43:33
You know,
00:43:34
this is not just the visions
00:43:36
people have in NDEs,
00:43:38
but if you go to uvadops.org,
00:43:40
that's the University of
00:43:41
Virginia Division of Perceptual Studies,
00:43:44
and start looking at their
00:43:44
scientific papers,
00:43:45
you'll find they've studied
00:43:46
more than 2 cases of
00:43:49
past life memories in
00:43:50
children suggestive of reincarnation.
00:43:54
And of those 2 cases,
00:43:55
more than 1 have been
00:43:56
solved over six decades.
00:44:00
That is,
00:44:01
solved means they found the person
00:44:03
who lived before that the
00:44:04
child is describing.
00:44:06
Often the child gives names
00:44:08
of very specific details
00:44:09
about how they died in the previous life.
00:44:11
In fact,
00:44:12
a third of Ian Stevenson's
00:44:14
original cases in that database,
00:44:16
a third of them had birth
00:44:17
defects and kind of limb
00:44:20
abnormalities that were
00:44:22
related to the mode of
00:44:23
death in the prior incarnation.
00:44:26
If that doesn't get your attention,
00:44:27
I don't know what will.
00:44:29
But the bottom line is, you know,
00:44:31
our materialist thought
00:44:32
that the brain creates
00:44:33
consciousness and at bodily death,
00:44:35
our awareness ceases to
00:44:37
exist is completely false
00:44:39
and not supported by all
00:44:41
the scientific evidence.
00:44:43
And for those who worry a
00:44:44
bit about reincarnation,
00:44:45
I can tell you it's still
00:44:47
the goal of love, kindness,
00:44:49
and compassion.
00:44:50
It's just that it takes more
00:44:51
than one lifetime for us to
00:44:53
work towards that oneness
00:44:54
with the divine and that
00:44:56
sense of universal love.
00:44:57
But it's always still the same.
00:45:00
NDEs are clear on this point.
00:45:02
There's a beautiful book by
00:45:03
a friend of mine, Robert Coppes,
00:45:05
C-O-P-P-E-S, from the Netherlands.
00:45:07
He's very familiar with
00:45:08
near-death experiences.
00:45:10
He wrote a book called The
00:45:11
Essence of Religions,
00:45:12
where he compares the top
00:45:14
main five religions in the world today,
00:45:17
Abrahamic faiths of Judaism, Christianity,
00:45:20
and Islam, as well as Hinduism, Buddhism,
00:45:23
and basically the gold
00:45:24
standard is near-death experiences.
00:45:26
And he kind of says how each
00:45:28
of those approaches the
00:45:29
beauty of near-death
00:45:31
experiences and their focus
00:45:32
on life reviews and the
00:45:34
golden rule being written
00:45:35
into the fabric of the universe.
00:45:36
But none of them gets it perfectly right.
00:45:39
This is why we shouldn't be
00:45:41
so consumed by religious ideologies.
00:45:44
We should focus more on
00:45:46
prayer and meditation and
00:45:48
what is revealed to us in
00:45:50
these deep states of exploration,
00:45:52
and especially through
00:45:53
spontaneous cases of
00:45:54
near-death experiences, shared death,
00:45:56
which are just like
00:45:57
near-death but happen in
00:45:57
perfectly healthy people.
00:45:59
They might be loved ones a
00:46:00
thousand miles away,
00:46:02
but the departing soul will
00:46:03
grab their soul on the way out,
00:46:05
even to the point of seeing
00:46:06
a full-blown life review.
00:46:08
before the bystander soul
00:46:10
comes back to this world.
00:46:12
So all of this points to a
00:46:14
much grander reality.
00:46:16
We're trying to open the
00:46:17
door so people will share
00:46:18
these stories much more widely.
00:46:21
You can go to IANDS.org,
00:46:23
International Association
00:46:25
of Near-Death Studies.org,
00:46:26
to see thousands and
00:46:27
thousands of commonly
00:46:29
reported NDE cases and similar cases.
00:46:32
Also, NDERF.org,
00:46:35
an excellent source run by...
00:46:39
Jody and Jeff Long, he's a physician,
00:46:42
radiation oncologist,
00:46:43
who's now in Kentucky.
00:46:45
NDERF.org is their website.
00:46:48
Many,
00:46:48
many NDEs reported there and a lot of
00:46:51
information for the public about NDEs.
00:46:55
But these are really waking
00:46:56
the scientific community
00:46:58
and our culture at large
00:47:00
up to the absolute
00:47:02
undeniable reality of our
00:47:04
spiritual essence, our interconnection,
00:47:07
the binding force of love
00:47:08
and the spiritual nature of the universe.
00:47:11
Kelly, I would love to hear your thoughts.
00:47:17
I know me too.
00:47:18
So I just have to tell you, so I,
00:47:21
I am a registered nurse.
00:47:23
I come from a nursing background and, um,
00:47:27
Everything that you've said,
00:47:29
just based on my own
00:47:31
professional experience and
00:47:32
then personal experience with law,
00:47:37
I don't even really,
00:47:38
I'm at a loss for words,
00:47:39
but I want to just read the
00:47:41
quote that I read this
00:47:42
morning as I was preparing
00:47:44
to talk to you.
00:47:45
It's from Nikola Tesla.
00:47:47
The day that science begins
00:47:49
to study non-physical phenomena,
00:47:51
it will make more progress in one decade
00:47:55
than in all the previous
00:47:56
centuries of existence.
00:47:59
So as a registered nurse,
00:48:02
I recall sitting by
00:48:04
patients' beds as they were
00:48:06
getting ready to pack and
00:48:07
staying with them.
00:48:09
Primarily,
00:48:09
my areas of focus were intensive care,
00:48:12
emergency room nursing,
00:48:14
and oncology nursing.
00:48:16
So the spectrum of loss, I think,
00:48:18
prepared me for the journey
00:48:20
that I'm on now.
00:48:22
There was just things that I
00:48:23
could not explain.
00:48:25
as people who are counseling.
00:48:26
There was things that I
00:48:28
could not explain about a
00:48:30
person's recovery in an
00:48:32
oncology setting that had a
00:48:34
very poor prognosis,
00:48:36
but their mindset was
00:48:38
completely different from a
00:48:40
patient who had the same problems.
00:48:42
And so put those two
00:48:44
patients together from the
00:48:45
person who had the mindset
00:48:47
and who was meditating.
00:48:49
and focused on feeling that
00:48:51
they're outgrown as well.
00:48:53
And I never really had, like,
00:48:55
I wasn't doing a professional study.
00:48:56
So it was just all the
00:48:57
observations that I made
00:48:59
through the year.
00:49:00
And I'm just at a loss
00:49:04
because everything that
00:49:06
you've said is just so validating for,
00:49:09
and I'm sure for so many
00:49:11
other registered nurses out there,
00:49:12
because, you know, in my community,
00:49:14
I've met with so many of them and
00:49:16
We all have those questions
00:49:18
and we see what is happening.
00:49:20
And I'm glad that we're
00:49:22
having this conversation
00:49:24
finally as part of what
00:49:26
makes up our feeling.
00:49:30
Thank you, Kelly,
00:49:31
for sharing every bit of that.
00:49:32
And I will tell you that many,
00:49:35
many times in my talks over
00:49:36
the last 15 years since this experience,
00:49:40
I credit the nurses with
00:49:41
getting it because I had
00:49:43
many nurse friends,
00:49:44
very dear friends of mine
00:49:46
who I worked with,
00:49:47
who would tell me these
00:49:48
kinds of incredible stories
00:49:51
that suggested a richness
00:49:53
of spirituality and of the
00:49:55
power of spirit to influence healing.
00:49:58
And, you know,
00:50:00
I was such a hardcore kind of,
00:50:02
I want to be able to measure it,
00:50:04
materialist mind.
00:50:06
that I wasn't paying
00:50:07
attention to what they were
00:50:08
telling me but you're
00:50:09
absolutely right and I
00:50:10
would say uh nurses are
00:50:12
more commonly present uh
00:50:14
when people pass from this
00:50:16
world I think as physicians
00:50:17
sometimes maybe we feel
00:50:18
like we've failed our
00:50:19
patients if they're um you
00:50:21
know just about to die we
00:50:23
might might not be as
00:50:24
present maybe I'm just
00:50:25
speaking for myself um
00:50:27
But I think nurses have
00:50:29
figured this out a long
00:50:30
time ago because they keep
00:50:32
seeing this kind of evidence.
00:50:34
And, of course,
00:50:35
I have a few stories in my book,
00:50:36
Proof of Heaven,
00:50:37
of terminal lucidity and
00:50:42
that kind of thing,
00:50:43
and also of after-death
00:50:45
communications where –
00:50:47
you know,
00:50:47
families and nursing staff were
00:50:49
trying to share this stuff
00:50:50
with me to help me grow up
00:50:52
into a much more mature
00:50:54
view of the nature of reality.
00:50:56
And yet my hardcore
00:50:57
materialist preconceptions
00:50:59
and assumptions were
00:51:00
interfering with my
00:51:02
admitting to the obvious evidence.
00:51:04
And that's why I think it's
00:51:05
so important that the
00:51:06
scientific community is now
00:51:08
taking these cases very
00:51:09
seriously and studying them rigorously.
00:51:12
because then you start to
00:51:14
connect the dots in ways that are very,
00:51:16
very powerful and that have
00:51:19
huge implications for our understanding.
00:51:21
But the emerging reality is
00:51:23
absolutely one of shared
00:51:25
spirit where we're really
00:51:26
all bound together through
00:51:28
these forces of love and
00:51:30
that we're here to help
00:51:30
each other and to take care of the least,
00:51:33
the last and the lost.
00:51:35
We should be taking in
00:51:36
refugees as a nation, as individuals,
00:51:40
we need to help people.
00:51:42
And that's really a crucial
00:51:43
part of humanity's survival,
00:51:46
is denying that kind of
00:51:48
paltry fiction of the false
00:51:50
sense of separation and
00:51:51
that he who gets the most
00:51:54
toys before they die wins,
00:51:55
that kind of materialist nonsense,
00:51:58
and start working towards
00:52:00
the deeper spiritual
00:52:01
reality pointed out by
00:52:02
these kind of stories,
00:52:04
these kind of experiences,
00:52:05
and the scientific validation of them.
00:52:08
that helps us get to a point
00:52:10
of recognizing these deeper
00:52:12
spiritual truths and notions of oneness.
00:52:14
And so doing all this can
00:52:16
help us not only as a society,
00:52:19
as these stories are more
00:52:20
widely shared as scientists,
00:52:23
and I can give two websites
00:52:24
of scientists who are
00:52:26
deeply into this
00:52:26
understanding for your viewers.
00:52:28
Go to scientificandmedical.net.
00:52:32
or go to Galileocommission.org,
00:52:35
and you'll find two groups.
00:52:36
I'm on the scientific
00:52:37
advisory board for both groups.
00:52:40
But you'll find that
00:52:42
entertaining quantum physics,
00:52:43
parapsychology,
00:52:45
all this evidence for
00:52:46
non-local consciousness,
00:52:48
all of these stories of human experience,
00:52:51
reincarnation, NDEs, et cetera,
00:52:54
we're painting a much
00:52:55
bigger picture of reality
00:52:57
than in many ways is
00:52:58
comforting and also offers
00:53:00
us the chance for free will
00:53:02
as individuals.
00:53:04
So yes,
00:53:04
it's important to share these
00:53:06
stories and these
00:53:07
theoretical models with the
00:53:08
world at large and books
00:53:10
like Living in a Mindful Universe,
00:53:11
but also incredibly
00:53:12
important for individual
00:53:13
souls to go through this journey.
00:53:15
And if you go to evanalexander.com,
00:53:17
you'll find that there's a
00:53:18
companion workbook to that
00:53:21
Living in a Mindful Universe.
00:53:22
This workbook is free.
00:53:24
It's a 33-day email campaign.
00:53:28
where if you leave your
00:53:30
first name and an email
00:53:31
address for the next 33 days,
00:53:33
each day you will get a key
00:53:34
concept from our book,
00:53:36
Living in a Mindful Universe.
00:53:38
And this is presented in a
00:53:40
community format so that
00:53:42
more than 12 people
00:53:44
have taken that course over
00:53:45
the last few years.
00:53:46
They leave their comments.
00:53:47
They help each other.
00:53:48
It's all right there at your
00:53:50
33-day journey into the
00:53:52
heart of consciousness,
00:53:53
which is right on the
00:53:54
welcome page at ebanalexander.com.
00:53:57
So anybody can jump on that
00:54:00
33-day journey and start
00:54:02
learning a lot more.
00:54:03
The other resource I'd like
00:54:05
to point out is a website
00:54:07
that was really Karen
00:54:09
Newell's brilliance.
00:54:11
My wife and the co-author of
00:54:14
Living in a Mindful Universe.
00:54:15
And that is called InnersanctumCenter.com.
00:54:18
That's I-N-N-E-R SanctumCenter.com.
00:54:22
And you'll find there many things.
00:54:25
For one,
00:54:25
we did more than 50 interviews
00:54:28
during the pandemic with
00:54:29
thought leaders around the
00:54:30
world on consciousness
00:54:31
studies and other experiencers.
00:54:34
All of those 50-some
00:54:35
interviews are available
00:54:37
for free at IntersanctumCenter.com.
00:54:40
Likewise,
00:54:40
there's a mental health
00:54:41
practitioner course.
00:54:42
This does have a cost associated,
00:54:44
but it's a very good course.
00:54:46
on spirituality and modern
00:54:47
mental health practice.
00:54:49
Karen and I did that course
00:54:50
with Dr. Anna Yousum.
00:54:53
She is a brilliant
00:54:54
psychiatrist from New York City.
00:54:55
She wrote a book called Fulfilled,
00:54:57
which I highly recommend.
00:54:59
And she did that mental
00:55:01
health practitioner course
00:55:02
with us to help people
00:55:04
mainly with anxiety and
00:55:06
with spiritual issues.
00:55:08
It turns out that Dr. Yousum
00:55:10
also wrote a peer-reviewed study,
00:55:16
a pilot study of sacredacoustics.com,
00:55:19
especially the whole mind
00:55:20
bundle at sacredacoustics.com,
00:55:23
where she found that over
00:55:25
two weeks of time,
00:55:26
her busy Manhattan practice
00:55:28
with a lot of anxious
00:55:29
patients showed a 26%
00:55:31
reduction in anxiety
00:55:33
symptoms just by listening
00:55:34
to Sacred Acoustics.
00:55:36
Whereas the control group
00:55:38
who got standard talk
00:55:40
therapy for anxiety only
00:55:41
had a 7% reduction over those two weeks.
00:55:44
So 26%,
00:55:46
just by listening to sacred
00:55:47
acoustics is very powerful.
00:55:49
And if you listen to sacred acoustics,
00:55:51
you'll see what I mean.
00:55:52
That whole mind bundle,
00:55:54
Karen put on sale at the
00:55:56
beginning of the pandemic.
00:55:57
That's when that Dr. Yousum's,
00:56:01
her pilot study came out in
00:56:03
January of 2020, I think it was.
00:56:06
right at the beginning of
00:56:06
the pandemic and uh that's
00:56:09
a journal of nervous and
00:56:10
mental disease uh so you
00:56:12
can learn a lot more about
00:56:13
it but uh that whole mind
00:56:14
bundle is still available
00:56:16
at a very discounted price
00:56:18
in fact I think karen knew
00:56:21
that of the anxiety of the
00:56:22
pandemic and the economic
00:56:24
collapse of the pandemic
00:56:25
would be so severe that she
00:56:27
left a free button
00:56:28
on the website at
00:56:29
sacredacoustics.com to give
00:56:31
that whole mind bundle to
00:56:32
people who needed it for
00:56:34
free out of her generosity to the world.
00:56:37
And I believe that is still there.
00:56:38
Of course,
00:56:38
we expect that people who have
00:56:40
financial means will pay
00:56:42
the discounted $19 to get
00:56:44
that whole mind bundle,
00:56:45
but you'll find it can be
00:56:46
incredibly important and powerful.
00:56:48
And then of course,
00:56:49
start exploring more of
00:56:50
Sacred Acoustics because
00:56:52
there is an unbelievable amount of power
00:56:55
to what these tones can do
00:56:57
to help people come into
00:56:58
their own self-healing.
00:57:00
Wow.
00:57:02
I have used binaural
00:57:07
meetings daily as I'm
00:57:09
writing and working and meditating.
00:57:12
And I can attest to the power of them.
00:57:15
It's just completely changed
00:57:17
my perspective.
00:57:18
It's my anxiety has left me.
00:57:21
It's amazing.
00:57:22
And
00:57:23
I also have worked with
00:57:25
transformational breath work, which is,
00:57:26
I'm just getting into that,
00:57:28
but that is such an
00:57:29
interesting field as well,
00:57:31
to connecting yourself to a
00:57:34
higher consciousness.
00:57:35
So all of these tools are so important.
00:57:38
I'm just thinking about the
00:57:39
length of my reading list
00:57:41
after chatting with you.
00:57:42
I've got a lot of work to do.
00:57:45
Well, it's all play.
00:57:46
I look at it as play.
00:57:47
This is fascinating stuff.
00:57:49
And the more you realize
00:57:50
that it heads to a much
00:57:51
more positive life and one
00:57:54
where you feel like you have
00:57:56
a true influence on your emerging reality.
00:58:00
I mean,
00:58:00
this is an incredible revolution
00:58:02
just in kind of human
00:58:03
thought and human abilities
00:58:05
and acknowledgement of our power.
00:58:07
I think within the next decade,
00:58:09
just as Tesla said in that
00:58:11
beautiful quote you read earlier,
00:58:13
science will discover far
00:58:15
more than we have in all
00:58:16
the centuries of our
00:58:17
existence as this kind of
00:58:19
knowledge of the power of
00:58:21
mind over matter expands
00:58:23
and as more and more people
00:58:24
explore their own potential.
00:58:27
Wow.
00:58:28
Oh, oh my gosh.
00:58:30
That was a mic drop moment.
00:58:31
Well, with that,
00:58:33
I want to just say thank you.
00:58:35
I'm very grateful for your
00:58:36
presence today for teaching us this.
00:58:39
I know I learned a lot.
00:58:40
I know our audiences has
00:58:42
learned a lot and there's
00:58:43
so much depth to the human soul folks,
00:58:46
so much infinite potential
00:58:48
within all of us.
00:58:49
And this just goes to show
00:58:51
us how much potential we truly have.
00:58:54
But most importantly,
00:58:55
I feel like how loved we actually are.
00:58:58
That is true.
00:58:59
It's all about love.
00:59:02
The more we can serve as a
00:59:03
conduit for that love and
00:59:05
bring it into this universe,
00:59:06
share it with our fellow beings,
00:59:08
the better off we all are.
00:59:10
Thank you so much for what
00:59:11
you do to get this out there.
00:59:13
Thank you, Evan.
00:59:15
And thank you for everyone who tuned in.
00:59:17
Don't forget to support each
00:59:19
of our podcasts and tune in
00:59:21
and share this with someone.
00:59:23
This is truly a life
00:59:24
changing and life-saving message.
00:59:27
So the more we share,
00:59:28
the better off we can all
00:59:30
be and help each other and
00:59:32
rise as a collective.
00:59:33
This is not just about helping ourselves,
00:59:36
but how we can ultimately
00:59:37
help each other.
00:59:38
So thank you so much, Evan.
00:59:40
Thank you, Kelly.
00:59:41
It was a pleasure today.
00:59:42
This was fun.
00:59:44
Great.
00:59:44
Thanks so much, both of you.
00:59:46
Thank you.
00:59:47
We will catch you on the next episode.
00:59:48
Take care.