Voices Beyond: Exploring Spiritual Connections with Shawn Leonard
In this captivating episode, we sit down with Shawn Leonard, renowned Indigenous spiritual medium, tribe leader, and host of the popular TV show Spirit Talker. With over two decades of experience connecting with the spirit world, Shawn shares his journey as a medium and how he helps people reconnect with their loved ones on the other side. As an author of two insightful books, Shawn has touched countless lives with his unique ability to communicate with spirits and offer guidance and healing.
Join us as we explore:
- Spiritual mediumship: How Shawn connects with spirits to deliver messages from beyond
- Indigenous wisdom and spiritual traditions that guide his work
- Insights from his journey as a TV host on Spirit Talker and the power of sharing spiritual experiences
- The importance of building a deep connection with your spirit and intuition
Whether you're curious about spiritual connections or looking to deepen your understanding of mediumship, this episode offers profound insights into the unseen world and the power of spiritual guidance.
Keywords: Shawn Leonard, spiritual medium, Indigenous medium, Spirit Talker, spiritual connections, mediumship, spirit communication, Indigenous wisdom, psychic medium, spiritual guidance, intuitive healing, spiritual experiences, tribe leader, TV show host, spiritual awakening, Shawn Leonard books, spiritual journey.
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- Website: shawn-leonard.com
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Hello, everybody,
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and welcome to another
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episode of Broken Beautiful Me,
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Stories of Hope, Gratitude,
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and Resilience.
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And I am so lucky today to
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have Sean Leonard as our
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guest on the show.
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Welcome, Sean.
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Thank you for having me, Kelly.
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Sean is a heart-centered,
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indigenous Mi'kmaq spirit talker,
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psychic medium.
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He presently lives in
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Millbrook First Nation in Coal Harbor,
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Nova Scotia, Canada,
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and has worked as a
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professional in his field
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for over twenty-five years.
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He has an authentic approach
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to the spirit world in his live events,
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radio and TV appearances, workshops,
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and his Spirit Talker Tribe
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online course.
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At sixteen years old,
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just one year after losing
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his father to a massive heart attack,
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Sean received a visitation
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and a message from his father in spirit.
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We all have a purpose,
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and one day you will help
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people understand their
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lives and bridge the gap
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between the physical world
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and the spirit world.
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In the three decades since that night,
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Sean has finally honed his
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ability as a spirit talker
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medium and his connection
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to the spirit world.
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His gift has allowed him to
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help people worldwide as he
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communicates with departed loved ones,
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spirits, and guides.
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The insight they share help
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us better understand our
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journey here on earth and
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provide healing for many
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people struggling with grief.
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He's a proud indigenous
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Mi'kmaq person who works
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with spirit to heal hearts.
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Fittingly,
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a respected Mi'kmaq elder gifted
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him with the name White
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Eagle Spirit Talker.
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Star and host of APTN TV
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show Spirit Talker,
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author of Spirit Talker book,
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and Wisdom of the Elders
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Oracle Card Debt by Hay House Publishing.
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And he is the founder of the
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Spirit Talker Tribe online course.
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Welcome, welcome, Sean.
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Well, thank you for having me, Kelly.
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It's amazing to be here.
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And whereabouts are you located right now?
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So I live in South Carolina right now,
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but I am a Canadian and a Newfoundlander.
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No way.
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I'm actually heading down to
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South Carolina really soon, actually.
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I'm going to Charlotte to go do...
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uh an event for heyos the
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publisher uh called
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mystical connection so I'll
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be recording it there it'd
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be live streamed online for
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everybody to kind of watch
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but uh beautiful I've been
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there twice already yeah
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and beautiful down there
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absolutely beautiful down
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in south carolina and
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especially charlotte that's
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really all I know for south
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carolina but it was
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beautiful when it was there
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and I'm looking forward
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yeah well this is rock hill
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is essentially kind of the um
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a suburb almost of Charlotte.
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So we're close by.
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So if you want to come over for dinner,
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you're invited.
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I'm pretty sure they're
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going to have me pretty
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busy because I do my thing
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all day with all the other authors.
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And the next day I'm like
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filming a video course on
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the four sacred fires.
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I've already done an audio
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course that is released on
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the twenty fourth,
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but they're having they
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want me to shoot the video
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for actually aspect of the same course,
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just a little bit more in depth, I guess.
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So I'll be doing all that when I'm there.
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So my hands full for sure.
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That's amazing.
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I can hear your new accent
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in there somewhere.
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It's in there a little bit.
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It's just a, just a tinge.
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And maybe it's when,
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maybe if you talk to some
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people from Canada or back
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home or whatever, you know,
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maybe sneaks out here and there, I'd say,
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but,
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You know,
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a little drink of rum or something.
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Yeah, it all comes back pretty quick.
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Absolutely.
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So what would you like to
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talk about today?
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I know that you said that
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you specifically work with
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people who are grieving in
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some way and helping people
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move through that.
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I do.
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Yeah.
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So I started working with
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the bereaved in two
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thousand nine when I became
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a bereaved parent myself.
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And my approach to grief.
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was,
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and I always say that this was God's
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little whisper in my ear,
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but I knew from the moment
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that I lost my son Stephen
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that I would approach my
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grief with gratitude.
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And that doesn't mean being
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grateful for what I had lost,
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but to look around and see
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that I was still surrounded
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by beauty and goodness and that
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you know, we were all in this together.
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It was just a beautiful knowledge.
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So I wanted to spread that message.
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And so, um,
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I do so with a group called
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just one little thing.
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And it's about finding one
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little thing each day to
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give thanks for when you're
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going through difficult times,
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because sometimes it's hard
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to find one little thing when you're,
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when you're suffering.
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Absolutely.
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And, uh,
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and so basically that's kind of
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been my life work since, since that time.
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And I've, uh,
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It's been a great honor and
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a privilege and I've
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learned so much from everybody I've met.
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And I'm sure, you know, I,
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I can feel very strongly,
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especially who I am and what I do that,
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you know,
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your son is a very big supporter
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of that working from the
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spirit world and helping
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you in every way that he can to, uh,
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kind of help you like,
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and empower people to help
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people heal and be well as he,
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he seems like to me, you know,
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if I was to kind of tune
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into his spirit a little bit,
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I'd say he seems like a man who,
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who had a good heart and, uh,
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cared about people generally.
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And he says he still does
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this through you and the
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work that you do together.
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And I think that's, you know, you know,
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getting that for a lot of
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people is very hard.
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You know, it is a lot.
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It's very hard.
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It's kind of strange.
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And I don't know why they
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tell me the things they do.
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And I don't think this is related to him,
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but did anybody have any
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issues with their eye as well?
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I'm getting pain behind my right eye.
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Like somebody had a needle in their eye.
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There's a problem with their eye.
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My husband had cataract surgery.
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When did he have this done?
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A few months ago.
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Okay.
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And this is his father?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Cause I feel like then he
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just wants me to give a
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shout out to him because
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when they do things to me, you know,
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when I feel things from spirit, right.
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And sometimes it's a
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physical sensation when I'm
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talking to people, it's too, you know,
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cause it's,
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it's not like there's anything
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wrong with his eye.
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There isn't.
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It's just that he just wants
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me to validate the person
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and he's looking for a
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unique way to do it that no
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one could know except you, I guess.
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And he wants to say that he knows,
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you know, that your husband, your spouse,
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your partner,
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his father figure in life was, you know,
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him helping you and supporting you too.
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I think he wants to make
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sure he wants to validate him and,
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you know,
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on the journey that you're still
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going together.
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And maybe that's one of
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those one good things that
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you have in your life.
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And I think, you know, what people,
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you know, and it's a great title,
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what you have there and concept.
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I really love it.
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Just so you know.
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and uh because you know for
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myself what I when I try to
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help people as a spirit
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talker and that's where
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spirit tries to work with
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me in regards to helping
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people through this process
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that they're going through
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one it's like validation
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you know I this is who I am
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what happened to me etc but
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that's that's not usually
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the premises usually they
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go to where you're hurting
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or where the pain is or
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where you need to move
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through is because they
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don't like to see you
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suffer they don't like to
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see you in a bad space or
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place and and they'll
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they'll bring up the spots
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where you hurt sometime
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just so that you can talk
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about it and work through it.
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And because if you if you bury it, I mean,
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that's never good for
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anyone burying your grief.
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And, you know,
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sometimes people need to do
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that for a bit of time.
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Right.
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But it's when you start to decide, hey,
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I'm going to shift my perspective.
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This is when I'm going to
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start looking at things in
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a different way because this is, you know,
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feeling this way,
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this heaviness that I'm carrying.
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I mean,
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it's a natural part of healing
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through grief.
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But it's also, you know,
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repressed love in a way, let's say.
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So you want to, like,
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shift love in a way instead of, like,
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repressed emotions.
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You want to be able to shift emotions.
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So when you notice that
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heaviness sitting in really hard,
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then you start to think
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about something positive,
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like that one positive thing.
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And it could be just a
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moment or a memory that you
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have with this person at a birthday or,
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you know,
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at the beach or something like this that,
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you know,
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that you have these great times or,
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you know,
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driving around the car and even
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having a conversation where
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you just laughed, you know.
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And, you know,
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equally as all those painful
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memories are in your mind
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about how hard it is from that loss,
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you have all these other great memories,
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too,
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that you could draw from and think about,
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laugh and smile and, you know,
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feel your heart full of joy.
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And I think that there's a
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lot of people that struggle with that.
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And I
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And maybe because they're
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repressing that emotion
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because they're afraid or
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they're scared to feel the
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hurt in relation to the loss.
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But when you feel it,
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you can also feel joy with it.
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It doesn't have to be the
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heaviness of things.
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And I always try to help
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people shift their perspective,
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like what you're doing.
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And that is like, well,
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what's some happy memories you have?
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What's some joyful,
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funny times that you have?
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And then every time you
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notice a heaviness about
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life coming in in some way,
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then you can obviously
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choose to shift that to
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something much more positive, happy,
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joyful, loving.
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And you can even giggle a little bit.
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Spirit is not over there going, okay,
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I want you to cry.
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I want you to be really hurt.
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They want to see you living life.
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And I think that's what you've done.
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And a lot of people are
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continuing to try to do that.
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is to live their life to the
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best of their ability and
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that's what we come here
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for you know we and you
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know whether we know it or
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not I mean we're all going
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to end up with those people
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that we were grieving at
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some point I mean and we
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think that life is like
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this long journey and it
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really isn't it may seem long sometimes
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But man,
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I was just twenty eight the other day.
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Now I'm like fifty two and I
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don't know where the heck
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the last few years went.
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Everything happened like a flash.
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And, you know,
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I think most of us will be
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at the end of our life
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thinking the same thing and
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then embracing that journey
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home ourselves to to meet
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and greet the people that
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we've been grieving our
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whole life and missing and
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trying to love where they are.
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And that's a gift, you know, life.
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It's a gift to even grieve
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because that means you have loved,
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you've had love in your life.
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And there's still
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possibilities for a lot
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more of love in all the
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people that you're surrounded with.
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And if you have this love
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that you have to give,
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whether it's your son or your daughter,
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your mom or your sister, your best friend,
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et cetera,
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there's a lot of other people
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out there that are looking
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for people to love them.
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and I say you know don't
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think that it's lost you
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have that love to give give
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it find some space or place
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person animal whatever it
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is just do it some some uh
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hobby that brings you joy
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and uh I know everybody in
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spirit is like rooting for
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each and every one of us
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because when we start to
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take those steps it's like
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it's amazing I think they
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celebrate over there for
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sure that they're like oh
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my god they're finally
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moving through this yeah
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and I'll tell you I'll tell
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you a story because I you
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know as an indigenous
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person we always teach in stories anyway
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Um, you know, when my dad passed, I was.
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Very young, not really, um, you know,
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I've experienced death,
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but not somebody so close, you know,
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friends of friends, you know,
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a friend from school, uh,
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some young girl who,
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who had a disability in the town,
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my grandma lived in, but, um,
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and that was really like a
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very limited understanding
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of that process of having
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somebody leave their physical form.
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And then when my dad passed, uh,
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when I was years old in Elmsdale,
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Nova Scotia, I remember it very clearly.
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My mom jumped up, uh, out of, you know,
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jumped up into my room,
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yelling at me to get up and
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go help my dad out in the driveway.
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Very shocking because, I mean,
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what do you mean help dad, you know?
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So I went out to help my father.
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And I couldn't find him, you know,
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for the life of me.
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He just got a, it wasn't a new truck,
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but a secondhand truck.
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And he was in the Navy.
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It was five o'clock in the
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morning on October.
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And it was fairly cold.
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You could see your breath and, you know,
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the, you know, the, the,
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the exhaust from the truck was going,
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the door was open.
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Anyway, I walked around the whole truck.
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And I'm like,
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I don't know what my mom's talking about.
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My dad's not here.
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Like maybe he went somewhere.
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I don't know what you mean.
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You know,
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she said he was out beside the truck.
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So I run back inside and I tell my mom,
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you know, mom, dad's not there.
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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She goes, go look again.
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I'm calling some help for help.
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And I just ran out there again,
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searching and nothing, nobody.
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And then I had to go back in.
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And again, on the third time, my mom had,
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you know, take me outside and
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and pointed me at my father
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laying on the ground.
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And for the life of me, even this day,
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I am puzzled.
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Like, how is it that I couldn't see him?
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And this could have been grief or shock.
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I mean,
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there's lots of psychological terms
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and ideals surrounding that.
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And I also think, too,
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maybe it wasn't meant to
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find him right away.
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You know, maybe it was, you know,
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if I was there, you know,
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and he wasn't meant to be saved.
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It was his time.
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And and I had to get there
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that few minutes later so
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that he could make his full journey home.
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And I mean,
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I must have walked right over
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him like twice and not seen him.
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It was like he was invisible.
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And so anyway,
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I did start to perform CPR
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and I wasn't able to resuscitate him.
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And but I could feel, you know, and I know
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And probably many people
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that are tuning into your
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show and your talks and
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everything that you're
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sharing have had loss or
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had loss of some sort or lost people.
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And it's just like when you
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see somebody that is no longer,
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their spirit isn't in that body anymore.
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There's this shell of a person.
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It's like vacant.
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It's void.
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It's almost like it's an old
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piece of wood laying on the ground.
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It's just laying there,
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but you don't feel the
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essence of the spirit within that person.
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The aura is not there.
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That light within that
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person is no longer there.
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And this is vacancy, right?
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So even though I'm trying to
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resuscitate my dad,
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I knew he was not there,
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and I knew he wasn't coming back.
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I just somehow knew it in my heart.
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But I could feel him.
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You know, I could feel his presence.
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I could feel his awareness.
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I could feel him being with
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me and around me.
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And, you know,
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I continued to do CPR as best as I could.
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And I even started cursing
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at him and yelling at him
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to get the F back in his body, I said.
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And, you know,
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I just knew that I knew in
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my heart that somehow he
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wasn't coming back.
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And he didn't.
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Some neighbors came down, took over.
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The ambulance showed up like
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a half hour later or
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something like that because
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we lived down in the country.
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And and then I had to come
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to grips with all that, you know,
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that losing my father.
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And it was very hard.
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I failed my grade of school.
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And, you know, I struggled.
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I
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Thank God I had music and
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that helped me kind of like
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find my way through things
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because my new passion,
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my dad bought me a guitar
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before he passed away.
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So I started playing lots of
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guitar and learning lots of songs.
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And I became very artistic
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and expressed myself,
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not necessarily grief,
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but joy through my guitar.
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It brought me to presence.
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And that really helped me
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through that whole year.
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It was about a year later
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that I actually had a
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visitation from my father.
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And this visitation was like
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immensely profound.
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Like it was,
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I was sleeping downstairs on
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my mom's couch.
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And I remember it was like
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pretty much a year after.
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And the reason why I was
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sleeping in my mom's couch
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is because I knew if I
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could sleep downstairs,
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my mom was struggling with grief.
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I mean,
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she lost her husband she was with
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for eighteen years.
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She has two young boys.
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She's struggling to pay the bills.
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She's just trying to keep it together.
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Yeah.
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And I'm sneaking out at
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night through the bottom
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window to go hang out with
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my friends because that's
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how I'm trying to be in the moment.
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It's just like, you know, keep myself busy,
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spend some time with friends.
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And, you know,
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even after I'm not supposed to be out,
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I was getting up.
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So I slept downstairs on the couch,
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snuck out the window,
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and I came back probably
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one in the morning, laid on the couch,
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and I went to sleep.
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And I woke up probably
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around three o'clock in the morning,
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where at least I thought I woke up.
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I'll say I did wake up,
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but it wasn't an awakening
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of my physical body.
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I stepped out of my body.
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And I stood in the rec room
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where I was sleeping.
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And I could see my form,
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the shell of this person who I am,
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very much laying on the couch asleep.
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And I thought, okay,
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this is kind of strange.
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And then I looked off to the
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end of the rec room.
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And up in the top corner of
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the room was just a ball of
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pure white light.
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And I stared at it, and I thought, well,
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I actually thought I might be dying.
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That's what I thought.
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I might be going home or something.
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And this light grew and grew.
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It's like it just slowly got
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bigger and bigger.
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And it was just about the
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size of a person.
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And then out of the light
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walked my father.
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And my father, for whatever reason,
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and I even think this is
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really funny to this day,
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is that he was wearing a long white robe.
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And I thought,
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what the hell are you wearing, Dad?
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That's my first thought.
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It's like, why the hell are you wearing?
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My dad was a hunter, fisher.
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He drank.
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He smoked.
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You know, he...
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You know, he, you know,
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he cursed here and there.
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I was even scared of my dad
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a little bit sometimes, but here,
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my dad's walking out in a
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like super serene, peaceful way,
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wearing a long white robe.
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And I was just like, my God,
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what the hell are you wearing?
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And he says, don't worry.
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We all wear stuff like this.
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It's all good.
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You know,
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what happened was I had this
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repressed anger that I didn't know I had.
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Okay.
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And I started to feel anger
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towards my father because I
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was angry that he died.
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I was angry that he left my mom.
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I was angry that he left my
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brother and where we were.
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And I was frustrated.
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And I didn't really say anything to him.
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It was just like he knew
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exactly how I felt.
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He said, Sean, you just need to calm down.
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And I need to tell you a few things.
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And I said, okay,
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you need to tell your mom that I'm okay.
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That it was my time.
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I made it home and this is
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where I'm supposed to be.
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I'm like, okay.
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And then you said,
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you got to tell your brother too.
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I said, I will.
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He says long before you or I were born,
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we had a plan for this life.
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And for this life through this plan,
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I was meant to leave your life now.
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And I said, you know,
00:19:06
who the hell would make
00:19:07
some type of stupid plan like that?
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You would leave like a person's life,
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like you lose your father
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at fifteen years old.
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This seems kind of like a
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stupid plan if I've ever heard one.
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And he goes, no, no.
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You know, there's a reason for everything.
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And he says, you know,
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the greatest love that I
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could ever agree to give you in life,
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Sean, is to show you the light.
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To show you where you who
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you are and where you come from.
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And he says, you don't know this yet,
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but one day you're going to
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be helping people.
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like how the hell am I
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supposed to be helping
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people with this is you
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don't really have to do
00:19:38
anything it's just going to
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kind of happen I'm like
00:19:41
that seems kind of silly it
00:19:42
sounded like yoda from star
00:19:44
wars at this point it's
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like ridiculous my dad is
00:19:47
speaking gibberish and and
00:19:49
so you know I and then when
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I saw the light behind my
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father that unconditional
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pure loving white light
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that was surrounded my
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father behind him like a
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like almost like a doorway of sorts
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All I could think about is, oh, my God,
00:20:06
this life that I'm living
00:20:08
is like some type of play
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that I'm acting out.
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That this is not real.
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That is real.
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And why have I signed up for
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this stupidness?
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Like, why am I here?
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I want to go.
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I'm going home.
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So I tried to walk around my
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father into the light.
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And my father got in my way and he says,
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no, Sean, you can't come here.
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And I could touch it.
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And I could feel it and I
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could sense what it was like.
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And I knew, you know,
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this is long before the
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matrix that I felt like I
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was somehow in the matrix.
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And and he says, no,
00:20:42
you have a much greater plan.
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There's so much more for you to do.
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And you have a purpose for being here.
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And I couldn't grasp a purpose, literally,
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like my whole perspective
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on life was girls and guitars.
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You're at fifty, sixteen years old.
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I mean,
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what kind of perspective can a
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young man really have?
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Right.
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Maybe some children, but not this child.
00:21:02
I was like, you know, not sure about life,
00:21:04
where I was going, what I was doing,
00:21:06
et cetera.
00:21:07
But and then he gave me a
00:21:09
vision to actually he
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showed me what it would
00:21:12
look like for my mom if I chose to leave.
00:21:16
And I got to see almost like a scenario.
00:21:19
If I was to leave this world,
00:21:21
how my mom would feel.
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And she would grieve like
00:21:25
really hard for about seven years.
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And I don't think she would
00:21:29
really overcome the loss of me,
00:21:31
but she would find a way to
00:21:33
get through life the best she could.
00:21:34
She would struggle, but she would get,
00:21:37
but it would still be
00:21:38
another seven years of
00:21:39
heavy and hard grief.
00:21:42
And I thought about it after
00:21:43
he showed it to me and I said,
00:21:44
you know what?
00:21:46
She'll be okay in seven years.
00:21:49
And I thought, well, you know what?
00:21:50
Even if she just goes down
00:21:52
the darkest of dark places in life,
00:21:56
she's not lost.
00:21:57
She'll just come home with us.
00:22:00
My dad said, no, no,
00:22:01
that's not your mom's purpose either.
00:22:04
You can't put her on a journey.
00:22:08
You'll be doing this if you come.
00:22:09
Then he showed me what it
00:22:10
would look like for my brother.
00:22:11
My brother would become
00:22:13
closer to my mom because he
00:22:16
was already her baby already.
00:22:18
But, uh, he'd become closer and, um,
00:22:21
but he would over,
00:22:22
he would get over me in a few years.
00:22:24
It wasn't, you know, when you're young,
00:22:25
you grieve differently and, and you know,
00:22:27
you look at life differently.
00:22:28
Right.
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And I still looked at the
00:22:31
light and I said to my dad,
00:22:32
I still wanna go.
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I'm still going.
00:22:35
And he said, no, you can't come here.
00:22:38
Remember what I've said?
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And he touched me on my
00:22:41
forehead and I woke up on the couch and I,
00:22:45
and I, and I met my mom and I thought,
00:22:46
okay.
00:22:48
As I got up in the morning,
00:22:49
so you're not going to guess what mom,
00:22:51
I saw dad last night.
00:22:52
He came to me and he told me
00:22:53
to tell you that he was okay.
00:22:54
And my mom, I thought would be happy.
00:22:57
She was pissed off.
00:22:58
She really got angry.
00:22:59
She's what the hell did he
00:23:00
come to you for?
00:23:01
Not me.
00:23:02
Like, that's what she said.
00:23:03
And I'm like,
00:23:03
I can understand that because
00:23:05
here she is like going
00:23:06
through this very difficult time.
00:23:08
And I feel
00:23:09
I was probably in a
00:23:10
different place than my
00:23:10
group because I was young
00:23:12
and I was dealing with it differently.
00:23:13
And, you know,
00:23:14
my dad was already in the
00:23:15
Navy and he was gone a lot.
00:23:16
And, you know,
00:23:17
so I kind of adjusted to him
00:23:18
being away off and on.
00:23:21
But my mom was still like
00:23:23
really stuck in that.
00:23:24
And it was about three years
00:23:26
before my mom started to
00:23:27
kind of really overcome
00:23:28
that from what I've seen.
00:23:29
And then three and a half years later,
00:23:30
she met another incredible
00:23:32
man named Larry and had
00:23:33
this amazing new life with
00:23:36
this other person that was another, again,
00:23:38
eighteen years.
00:23:39
I mean,
00:23:39
there's a cycle or pattern here of
00:23:41
some sort.
00:23:42
that she would meet larry
00:23:43
and he was from the air
00:23:44
force and she'd marry him
00:23:46
and they they she got to do
00:23:47
things with him that she
00:23:48
never did with my dad and
00:23:50
all this and they had an
00:23:50
amazing life and then larry
00:23:52
made his journey home too
00:23:55
And but my mom's doing fairly good.
00:23:57
She's getting up there.
00:23:58
She still wants to be here.
00:24:00
And, you know, has a you know, she has,
00:24:03
you know,
00:24:03
three grandchildren and a
00:24:05
grandson that is, you know,
00:24:07
pretty young and mildly autistic.
00:24:10
And I think that she wants
00:24:11
to spend as much time with
00:24:12
them as she can.
00:24:13
before she goes home.
00:24:15
So she, her purposes in life has changed,
00:24:17
you know, in her perspective,
00:24:18
but things after losing two husbands,
00:24:20
et cetera.
00:24:20
But the reason why I'm saying this is be,
00:24:23
you know,
00:24:23
we all have a reason for here being here.
00:24:27
You may not know it.
00:24:28
And, you know, it unfolds sometimes like,
00:24:31
you know, unexpectedly.
00:24:32
And that's what my, you know,
00:24:34
people in spirit world,
00:24:36
when they do go home, you know,
00:24:38
they know that,
00:24:40
who you are and who you're
00:24:42
meant to be and what your lessons are.
00:24:45
And sometimes the aspect of
00:24:47
leaving this world is a
00:24:50
part of that plan so that
00:24:52
you could become the people
00:24:53
or person that you need to be.
00:24:55
And I know that's not
00:24:56
something that we all want
00:24:57
or like to hear,
00:24:59
but when we're only here
00:25:00
for a short time ourselves
00:25:03
and losing people or
00:25:04
separation and things can
00:25:05
definitely form and shape
00:25:07
people's lives in a much different way.
00:25:10
and that sometimes is many
00:25:12
people's purposes is to to
00:25:14
adjust uh to life
00:25:16
accordingly and to have a
00:25:18
new vision and a new
00:25:19
direction and what that
00:25:20
looks like for each person
00:25:22
may be different and that's
00:25:23
okay it's not like there's
00:25:24
a cookie cutter you know
00:25:25
life thing that you have to
00:25:26
do I have to be as public
00:25:27
speaker I have to be a
00:25:29
writer I have to be a
00:25:30
teacher you know it could be
00:25:32
that you just become an
00:25:33
amazing friend to many
00:25:34
people or that you become a
00:25:36
stepmom to someone else.
00:25:37
Who knows?
00:25:38
There's so many good things
00:25:39
that you could do to share
00:25:43
that love that is still
00:25:44
inside you that all your
00:25:45
people want you to kind of keep doing.
00:25:48
And, you know, and, you know, for me,
00:25:50
a lot of people have come
00:25:51
to me over the years and I
00:25:52
used to do a lot of like
00:25:53
personal sessions.
00:25:54
I've been doing this work
00:25:54
for over twenty five years.
00:25:56
Now it's just more live
00:25:57
audience shows because I'm
00:25:58
like pretty busy.
00:26:00
The last time I opened up my calendar,
00:26:02
I was booked for like three
00:26:03
years straight.
00:26:04
So I don't have three years
00:26:07
of my life just to.
00:26:08
to, to book solid for so much going on,
00:26:12
but I love my work.
00:26:14
I love connecting the spirit
00:26:15
and spirit's part of all of our lives.
00:26:17
And you don't have to be
00:26:18
like a famous writer, TV show,
00:26:20
psychic medium to be
00:26:21
connected to your people.
00:26:23
You know, it's,
00:26:24
it's about having a
00:26:25
relationship and that's
00:26:25
what I teach people is
00:26:27
there's validation that'll
00:26:28
come through like your son
00:26:29
telling me about your
00:26:29
husband etc you know mild
00:26:31
things stuff like that just
00:26:33
trying to get your
00:26:33
attention with stuff that
00:26:34
you know again nobody could
00:26:35
know because they want to
00:26:36
say hey I'm still part of
00:26:37
your life I know what's
00:26:38
going on yeah I and I love
00:26:41
that and you know just
00:26:44
thinking even that that is
00:26:47
to make a point of
00:26:52
you know,
00:26:52
just doing a shout out for Brady
00:26:54
that their relationship was
00:26:56
very special and very unique.
00:26:57
And so that's,
00:26:59
I could see why he would want to do that.
00:27:01
And, and as for him being all around,
00:27:05
one of the things.
00:27:05
Go back and listen to the recording,
00:27:07
Kelly.
00:27:07
Yeah.
00:27:08
I want you to listen to that
00:27:09
part where you were just
00:27:10
talking in the background.
00:27:13
I don't know about your end,
00:27:14
but I'm pretty sure I just
00:27:16
thought I heard your son say, mom,
00:27:19
I would listen there.
00:27:21
Because sometimes spirit can
00:27:23
get a voice through.
00:27:24
And I just thought I heard somebody go,
00:27:25
mom.
00:27:27
So I know that, you know,
00:27:28
he's very much with you and
00:27:30
all of our people are very much with us.
00:27:32
They, they are.
00:27:34
And I, I will tell you just a little, um,
00:27:36
about my own experience.
00:27:38
And I, I told you how I, I knew right away,
00:27:42
I,
00:27:42
I would need to write a bit of gratitude,
00:27:44
but, um,
00:27:47
the night we got the call, uh,
00:27:49
he passed suddenly and we
00:27:51
had to drive for nine hours.
00:27:53
Um, and I felt like, um, he was,
00:27:59
he was in the vehicle with us, you know,
00:28:01
we played his,
00:28:02
he had a CD in my car that
00:28:04
that wasn't typical for him
00:28:05
to have his music,
00:28:06
but he had my car for some
00:28:08
reason or another.
00:28:10
And, um, and we,
00:28:12
I listened to it on the
00:28:13
entire drive and I just
00:28:15
felt like he was just
00:28:16
With us.
00:28:18
Um, and I also felt like, um, so Steven,
00:28:23
I had Steven when I was a teenager,
00:28:25
I was very young and, um,
00:28:28
he was an identical twin and I felt like,
00:28:31
and his, his brother, uh, passed passed.
00:28:35
Yes.
00:28:36
Because he's telling me he's
00:28:37
with his brother.
00:28:38
Yeah.
00:28:40
So, and that's an infancy, right?
00:28:42
Pardon me?
00:28:43
Did his twin pass an infancy?
00:28:45
Yes.
00:28:46
Yeah.
00:28:46
Cause he's telling me that he's with them.
00:28:49
Yeah.
00:28:49
And, and it's,
00:28:50
it's interesting because his whole life,
00:28:53
because of that experience,
00:28:55
his whole life for me was
00:28:57
kind of the balance of happy and sad.
00:28:59
So every birthday I would celebrate Steven,
00:29:02
but also breathe Matthew.
00:29:04
Right.
00:29:06
And as I sat on the shoreline that morning,
00:29:10
I knew that they were
00:29:11
together and that gave me
00:29:13
great peace because I felt like Steven
00:29:16
in so many ways had,
00:29:18
had been searching his
00:29:19
entire life for his brother, you know,
00:29:22
kind of unconsciously.
00:29:25
Um, and I, he,
00:29:27
Stephen passed on the fourth of July.
00:29:29
And, um, when we were driving,
00:29:32
all the fireworks were
00:29:33
going off on the side,
00:29:35
on all the communities we were passing.
00:29:38
And I, I felt like, um,
00:29:42
said okay so god has shot
00:29:44
fireworks into the night
00:29:45
sky of my life and I need
00:29:47
to pay attention to
00:29:49
everything before this
00:29:50
light dims I need I need to
00:29:52
see it all and pay
00:29:54
attention and and that's
00:29:57
when I knew I had to use
00:29:58
gratitude because with
00:30:01
gratitude I felt steven
00:30:04
around me I feel like I was just kind of
00:30:08
kind of the assistant typing my books,
00:30:10
you know?
00:30:11
I felt him around me because of gratitude,
00:30:13
because I raised my vibration, right?
00:30:16
And so that heaviness, it was still there.
00:30:20
It's still, you know,
00:30:21
I still would feel like I
00:30:23
had rocks in my pocket and
00:30:24
a lead jacket on some days.
00:30:26
But when I would sit to
00:30:29
write and I would think
00:30:30
about him and think about, you know,
00:30:33
my younger son and my
00:30:35
husband and all the
00:30:36
blessings that were still around me,
00:30:38
he felt, I felt him with me.
00:30:42
And that, that told me, okay,
00:30:45
continue on this path
00:30:46
because this is the way that you,
00:30:48
you keep him with you.
00:30:49
You stay on this path and
00:30:51
he's still with you.
00:30:51
And I,
00:30:52
I still feel that today in every
00:30:55
butterfly, every, you know,
00:30:57
I still feel it.
00:30:58
So, um,
00:31:00
when you talk about your dad coming
00:31:02
to you, um,
00:31:04
that really speaks to me because I,
00:31:06
I feel like, um,
00:31:08
I still walk with him.
00:31:11
Yeah.
00:31:11
But you know what?
00:31:12
It's one of the things he showed me,
00:31:13
and I don't know,
00:31:13
and I think this has to do
00:31:15
with his brother Matthew too,
00:31:16
but he showed me a very
00:31:18
atypical type of picture and poem,
00:31:21
footprints in the sand.
00:31:23
And he's like making me see
00:31:24
the footprints in the sand,
00:31:25
but there's two sets of
00:31:27
feet walking in the sand side by side.
00:31:30
And even though there's not the body there,
00:31:32
you can still see the
00:31:33
footprints that are going to the sand,
00:31:34
he says.
00:31:35
And so I don't know what that means,
00:31:38
but I know he wanted me to
00:31:39
describe that to you in some way.
00:31:40
And I think that you may not
00:31:42
see him all the time,
00:31:43
but you can still see him,
00:31:44
if that makes sense.
00:31:46
I can, yeah.
00:31:47
And actually,
00:31:48
he was in a room with me when
00:31:51
he came home from the hospital.
00:31:53
His crib was right next to my bed.
00:31:54
And I actually had that
00:31:56
poster footprints in the
00:31:57
sand over his crib.
00:31:59
Yeah, he knows.
00:32:00
He's bringing this up for a reason.
00:32:03
They're pretty smart with this stuff.
00:32:07
I just feel like he seems
00:32:09
like a really nice man, really good man,
00:32:10
good heart, kind,
00:32:14
caring about most people.
00:32:16
And every day he would do
00:32:17
something to help them out
00:32:18
in some way if he could.
00:32:19
I feel like a man with a lot of friends,
00:32:21
like really good buddies as well.
00:32:23
I feel like almost like a
00:32:24
clique of guys that he
00:32:25
would hang out with.
00:32:27
And I think they all
00:32:28
probably miss him and
00:32:28
talked about him and cheers
00:32:29
him probably a few times here and there,
00:32:31
I'd say.
00:32:32
And I know that that brings
00:32:33
some joy because he,
00:32:35
he wants to be remembered.
00:32:36
I almost feel like,
00:32:37
did they retire a number
00:32:38
for him or something?
00:32:41
Yeah, they did.
00:32:43
He was,
00:32:43
he played hockey for NC state and
00:32:46
they retired his, his number.
00:32:48
They retired his Jersey after he passed.
00:32:50
Cause he's like,
00:32:50
show me like a Jersey with
00:32:52
a number on it.
00:32:52
Like it's been retired somehow.
00:32:55
yes put up on display like
00:32:56
in like a shadow box or
00:32:58
some sort and uh and did
00:33:00
they put a picture in there
00:33:01
with them too in the shadow
00:33:02
box you know um there's uh
00:33:06
I'm not sure that a picture
00:33:09
but they they have like a
00:33:10
huge banner and then the picture um
00:33:14
They actually have a
00:33:15
memorial tournament for him.
00:33:18
Okay.
00:33:18
Well, then I know that makes him, like,
00:33:19
super proud.
00:33:20
He wants me to make sure I validate this.
00:33:24
Okay.
00:33:24
This is kind of an odd reference.
00:33:27
I don't know if this is
00:33:28
connected to his buddies or not.
00:33:29
You have other children?
00:33:32
Yes.
00:33:32
I have a son, Brendan.
00:33:34
How old is your other son?
00:33:35
He's twenty-seven.
00:33:37
Does he have a child yet?
00:33:39
He does not.
00:33:41
Hmm.
00:33:42
I wouldn't be so... Like,
00:33:43
is he with anybody that you know of?
00:33:47
He is.
00:33:47
I think there might be news
00:33:49
coming of a child not too far away.
00:33:51
I'm not a hundred percent sure,
00:33:52
but he's just pulled out a
00:33:53
big cigar and smoked it.
00:33:55
So I think that's like
00:33:57
usually a symbol to me that
00:33:58
there's like a new baby
00:33:59
news or celebration coming.
00:34:01
So, I mean,
00:34:04
I know you're going to be
00:34:04
pretty freaking...
00:34:05
Amazing grandmother.
00:34:06
I think that he knows that
00:34:07
you're gonna be you must be
00:34:08
like kind of edging on for
00:34:09
this a little bit I think
00:34:11
he says so I Wouldn't protest that no,
00:34:15
I think I would expect the
00:34:16
baby news just so you know And again,
00:34:19
I'm gonna assume that it's
00:34:20
for his brother because it
00:34:21
seems like so close unless
00:34:22
it's like a really good
00:34:23
buddy of his that you just
00:34:24
heard about that,
00:34:25
you know that you know him
00:34:26
and his wife or whatever got pregnant,
00:34:28
but I mean
00:34:30
there's nothing random of
00:34:31
what they show me so I
00:34:32
think he's kind of like
00:34:34
maybe you want he wanted to
00:34:35
tell you first I don't know
00:34:37
like he's he's celebrating
00:34:39
already that's that's so
00:34:42
beautiful I'm and I so
00:34:44
appreciate you being so
00:34:45
generous telling me these
00:34:46
stories I I know we're here
00:34:48
to talk about you and your
00:34:50
work and yeah but this is my work
00:34:52
You know, that's what I do.
00:34:54
You know, I teach, right.
00:34:55
I teach,
00:34:56
I have a course spirit talker tribe.
00:34:57
I, you know, I have, you know,
00:34:59
spirit talker, the book, uh,
00:35:01
by publishing.
00:35:02
I just, uh, also right after that,
00:35:04
I published a card deck
00:35:05
called wisdom of the elders,
00:35:06
which is all indigenous art
00:35:08
by Mi'kmaq artists and, uh,
00:35:10
indigenous teachings within that I've, uh,
00:35:13
written out.
00:35:14
And, um, I love sharing.
00:35:16
I love sharing and, and, you know,
00:35:19
You know, my dad was right.
00:35:21
You know,
00:35:21
I didn't see everything that he's
00:35:23
what he knew when I was
00:35:24
sixteen years old.
00:35:26
Obviously,
00:35:27
they have insights for a life
00:35:28
that go beyond all of ours.
00:35:31
And
00:35:32
You know, they, they know where,
00:35:34
who we are and what we're
00:35:35
supposed to be in the
00:35:36
purpose for us in life and
00:35:37
what's going to unfold.
00:35:38
So there must be some type of destiny,
00:35:40
right?
00:35:41
Otherwise I wouldn't be where I am today.
00:35:44
And, uh, you know,
00:35:44
everything like the TV show spirit talker,
00:35:47
which is an APTN.
00:35:48
I mean,
00:35:48
for all the people who are watching
00:35:50
down in the U S I mean,
00:35:51
you can always go get a VPN, virtual, uh,
00:35:54
personal network.
00:35:55
You can go to aptnlumi.ca
00:36:00
and you can watch Spirit Talker.
00:36:01
There's four seasons there now.
00:36:02
I finished season five,
00:36:04
which is coming out May next year.
00:36:06
And that's the final season
00:36:07
of Spirit Talker because I
00:36:10
feel like touring for four
00:36:12
months of the year,
00:36:12
doing a TV show is probably long enough.
00:36:14
So I will do other stuff
00:36:16
like writing and teaching.
00:36:19
But my whole life has been
00:36:21
really weird since the loss of my father.
00:36:23
And I've lost other people, of course.
00:36:27
just the right people,
00:36:28
the right conversation,
00:36:30
everything just aligns.
00:36:32
When you're doing and being
00:36:34
the person that you need to be in life,
00:36:35
you'll notice how every
00:36:38
spirit works with you.
00:36:39
Spirit aligns you to meet
00:36:41
this right person,
00:36:42
to connect with that person,
00:36:43
to hear that conversation.
00:36:45
And the more you notice things like that,
00:36:46
you'll notice that you're
00:36:48
absolutely not alone,
00:36:49
that there's a lot going on around us,
00:36:51
like the synchronicity.
00:36:53
the that it's not it's not
00:36:54
chaos and randomness so
00:36:56
that that goes for a loss
00:36:57
too there's no chaos and
00:36:59
randomness in loss there's
00:37:01
divine purpose to
00:37:02
everything and you know and
00:37:04
you know eventually again
00:37:06
we will make our journey
00:37:07
I'm not one person in this
00:37:08
world is getting out of
00:37:08
here alive just you know
00:37:11
We're all going to the same place.
00:37:12
And, you know, it doesn't,
00:37:14
despite our beliefs or
00:37:16
religious beliefs or the
00:37:17
color of your skin or
00:37:18
whatever it is that you,
00:37:20
your ideals that you have,
00:37:21
whether you're a gun lover, non-gun lover,
00:37:23
a liberal or a Democrat or whatever,
00:37:25
you know, it's, it's, you know,
00:37:26
we're going to the same
00:37:27
freaking place where we're one people,
00:37:29
we're one nation of people.
00:37:33
And, you know,
00:37:35
if you want to shift and change the world,
00:37:37
you know, it takes people to do that,
00:37:39
you know.
00:37:39
And each person,
00:37:42
even if you don't think
00:37:43
you're going to make as big
00:37:44
impact that you possibly could,
00:37:48
do it anyway.
00:37:49
Try anyway.
00:37:50
Have the conversation anyway.
00:37:52
Spread some light, spread some wisdom,
00:37:54
you know.
00:37:55
Get out there and do what you can.
00:37:57
to to shift the world that
00:37:58
there's places in the world
00:37:59
today that still are
00:38:01
struggling with um hate and
00:38:04
and you know uh in the
00:38:06
world there's wars being
00:38:07
fought it's it's it's silly
00:38:09
like how is this still
00:38:10
going on at this day and
00:38:12
age how can we not have
00:38:13
evolved you know
00:38:15
spiritually emotionally
00:38:16
mentally to not be in this space anymore
00:38:19
And, you know,
00:38:19
why can't we be one nation again?
00:38:21
And I think it takes a world
00:38:24
of all different people,
00:38:25
different cultures and nations.
00:38:27
Hence, like the medicine wheel,
00:38:28
indigenous teachings to
00:38:30
come together to remember
00:38:31
that we're all part of one hoop of life,
00:38:33
one circle.
00:38:34
And, you know,
00:38:36
you have a part and
00:38:37
everybody that's listening
00:38:38
to this has a part.
00:38:38
And being who you are with an O.
00:38:43
a good loving heart as well
00:38:44
and as good as you can.
00:38:47
You know,
00:38:47
it doesn't mean you have to
00:38:48
subscribe to a certain
00:38:49
indigenous belief or any other belief.
00:38:52
It just means just be good, be loving,
00:38:54
be caring, be compassionate and be kind.
00:38:57
Look for the one good thing, you know,
00:39:00
and that's what shifts the world.
00:39:01
And, you know, when enough people do this,
00:39:03
you know,
00:39:04
other parts of the world where
00:39:05
it is kind of like stagnant
00:39:06
or stuck in some form or way,
00:39:09
it will shift in time.
00:39:10
It will.
00:39:12
Just got to wait.
00:39:12
It might take three hundred years.
00:39:13
It might take four hundred years,
00:39:15
but it will happen.
00:39:17
But it won't happen if we keep, you know,
00:39:20
seeing, you know, decisiveness.
00:39:23
And, you know,
00:39:23
if that's what your focus is,
00:39:25
is the separation and the loss, you know,
00:39:27
that's your perspective, right?
00:39:29
That has power.
00:39:30
We're creators.
00:39:31
So let's create a world of connection,
00:39:33
you know, of, you know, being spirit,
00:39:36
having a human experience
00:39:38
as opposed to being human
00:39:40
and thinking that we're
00:39:40
separate from spirit.
00:39:41
You know, it's part of who we are.
00:39:44
It is who we are.
00:39:46
And we return to that invisible,
00:39:48
somewhat invisible form of
00:39:50
energy that is all around us.
00:39:51
We might not see it.
00:39:52
It might be just the
00:39:53
footprints in the sand that you see,
00:39:54
but it is all around us all the time.
00:39:57
And when we do,
00:39:58
any difference that we
00:40:01
perceived in our human form, it's gone.
00:40:06
Any differences that we might have had,
00:40:08
they'd be gone.
00:40:09
Do you feel,
00:40:11
because I kind of feel this way,
00:40:12
do you feel that in order
00:40:13
for us to evolve to that
00:40:15
place where we are all
00:40:16
together and we realize
00:40:17
we're all part of a bigger collective,
00:40:20
that we have to be,
00:40:23
when we learn these lessons,
00:40:24
we have to be courageous
00:40:25
enough to speak out about them and not
00:40:28
Keep our light under a bushel.
00:40:29
Oh, yeah.
00:40:30
You can't,
00:40:31
you can't let fear control your life.
00:40:33
You can't, but there's a,
00:40:35
there's a good way of
00:40:35
speaking about things and
00:40:37
there's a way that is hurtful and, and,
00:40:39
you know, painful.
00:40:41
Right.
00:40:41
You still have to speak truth.
00:40:43
Yeah.
00:40:43
You have to speak truth,
00:40:44
but you can speak truth in a good way.
00:40:47
Yeah.
00:40:47
I,
00:40:47
and I think that's one of the things that,
00:40:51
that I,
00:40:52
I like to do is to tell people that,
00:40:54
you know, that we,
00:40:56
But nobody asks what
00:40:57
political affiliation.
00:40:59
When I meet people and I
00:41:00
work with people or I have
00:41:02
an online group, nobody, you know,
00:41:04
there's no admission price
00:41:06
depending on whether or not
00:41:08
you are part of a political
00:41:10
party or a religion or a certain,
00:41:12
you know, you believe in certain things.
00:41:15
It's, you know,
00:41:16
are you human and do you need some love?
00:41:19
Yeah, absolutely.
00:41:22
That's kind of the qualifier, right?
00:41:24
Absolutely.
00:41:27
For sure.
00:41:28
We all do.
00:41:30
We all need a little help.
00:41:31
And going back to what you
00:41:34
said about our divine purpose,
00:41:36
what I told you about my two boys,
00:41:38
that balance of happy and
00:41:40
sad and how his entire life,
00:41:42
every birthday was that
00:41:43
balance of happy and sad every milestone.
00:41:47
That's what I teach to
00:41:48
people now is how to
00:41:50
balance the happy and the sad.
00:41:52
And I see,
00:41:53
it took me a while to get to that point,
00:41:56
to see that divine purpose,
00:41:57
but now it's so clear to me.
00:42:00
And that shows me that, okay,
00:42:04
there's a bigger thing.
00:42:06
There's so much more that I
00:42:07
don't understand,
00:42:08
but I just need to lean into that.
00:42:10
And I am sure that I am not alone in that.
00:42:13
I know I've met so many
00:42:15
people who have experienced
00:42:17
tragedies in their life and they have
00:42:20
they have taken them and
00:42:22
turned them into such
00:42:23
beautiful purpose of
00:42:24
helping other people.
00:42:26
And we all have to look at
00:42:27
that and lean into it.
00:42:30
You do.
00:42:31
I mean, at some point, I mean,
00:42:32
it might take a little bit
00:42:33
of time for people to get there sometimes,
00:42:35
but I think eventually...
00:42:38
what you've experienced
00:42:39
because of that loss, grief, et cetera.
00:42:42
And it could be not just through death.
00:42:44
It could be the loss of a relationship,
00:42:46
the loss of a job.
00:42:48
It's forcing you to shift
00:42:49
and change within life.
00:42:50
And whether you wish to or
00:42:55
not wish to embrace it, you have to.
00:42:58
You're being forced to.
00:43:00
You need to have a new job.
00:43:02
It doesn't mean you have to
00:43:03
have a new relationship,
00:43:04
but maybe not all
00:43:08
relationships are the same.
00:43:10
There's still loss of things
00:43:12
that we have to experience
00:43:13
in different ways.
00:43:15
Losing a person,
00:43:16
the physical essence of that person,
00:43:19
doesn't mean that you've lost them.
00:43:21
You've not.
00:43:22
I think if people can shift
00:43:23
that perspective in a sense
00:43:24
of thinking that you have not lost them.
00:43:26
You've lost a physical shell
00:43:28
of that person.
00:43:29
Right.
00:43:30
But they're still there.
00:43:32
And there's a teaching that
00:43:34
I think is amazing.
00:43:35
There's another Hay House author,
00:43:38
Anita Morjani.
00:43:38
And it's called Dying to Be Me.
00:43:41
I don't know if you've heard of it,
00:43:42
but she had a profound
00:43:46
near-death experience.
00:43:46
She was like down to like, I believe,
00:43:48
seventy pounds and was on
00:43:50
her journey home to the
00:43:51
spirit world where she met
00:43:51
her father and her best friend.
00:43:53
And they sent her back and say, well, no.
00:43:55
You're not coming.
00:43:56
You're going back.
00:43:57
And then she like made a full recovery.
00:43:58
But, you know,
00:44:00
in that in that between
00:44:01
process where she was dying,
00:44:03
all the families being called, you know,
00:44:06
that you better come see Anita.
00:44:07
She's she's we don't know if
00:44:08
you're going to make it
00:44:09
here before she goes.
00:44:10
And she was on her on her deathbed,
00:44:14
literally making that journey.
00:44:16
You know,
00:44:16
her brother midair was flying to see her.
00:44:20
and he was on the plane
00:44:22
flying this here and you
00:44:24
know he was there praying
00:44:26
that he could make it there
00:44:27
to be with her for that
00:44:28
last moment and he he
00:44:32
thought for sure he wasn't
00:44:33
going to be able to be
00:44:34
there for her that she was
00:44:35
going to be gone and he was
00:44:36
having a lot of sorrow but
00:44:38
anita even though she was
00:44:39
in between this world and
00:44:40
the other world meeting
00:44:41
people she instantly knew
00:44:45
where her brother was
00:44:46
Even though she was with her dad,
00:44:48
her best friend,
00:44:49
she was also with her
00:44:50
brother who was very much alive,
00:44:52
flying on the plane.
00:44:53
And she knew every thought, every word,
00:44:56
every feeling he had in regards to her.
00:44:58
And she sat with him on the
00:45:00
plane for a moment.
00:45:02
Even though he didn't know
00:45:03
that she was there,
00:45:05
she was there with him.
00:45:07
And so when he did get there
00:45:10
and she did start to make a
00:45:11
recovery and jumped up and
00:45:13
said she wanted ice cream,
00:45:14
for God's sakes, that she, you know,
00:45:18
she told her brother.
00:45:19
And then she also told him
00:45:20
what the doctors were
00:45:21
talking about down the hall
00:45:22
word for word.
00:45:24
You know,
00:45:24
it was like she was in many
00:45:25
places at once.
00:45:27
And, you know,
00:45:27
spirit can be in many places at once.
00:45:30
They could be with you, your, your, your,
00:45:33
you know, your son,
00:45:34
they could be with you, you know,
00:45:35
other people, their friends, you know,
00:45:37
they don't have to pick and choose say,
00:45:38
well, I better hang out with mom today.
00:45:40
You know, they can be with mom.
00:45:41
They could be with their friends.
00:45:42
It could be many places.
00:45:43
They can be where they are, you know,
00:45:46
in the spirit world.
00:45:48
And, um,
00:45:49
and literally our people are
00:45:51
thoughts away.
00:45:53
Okay.
00:45:54
their thoughts away.
00:45:55
And we have the potential to
00:45:59
still have a relationship
00:46:01
with them in some way where
00:46:02
you can communicate to them
00:46:03
in those moments when you
00:46:04
think about them.
00:46:06
You know that they're drawn
00:46:07
to you by your thoughts.
00:46:10
Speak to them.
00:46:11
Just have a little
00:46:12
conversation with them for a moment.
00:46:13
It doesn't have to be super
00:46:15
long or profound.
00:46:16
Just say, oh, my God, my son,
00:46:18
I know that you're here
00:46:18
with me in this moment.
00:46:19
I'm so grateful that we have
00:46:21
this memory that we share.
00:46:22
It was such a funny time.
00:46:23
And I can feel you with me.
00:46:25
Thank you for the visit that
00:46:26
you've had with me today.
00:46:28
Talk to him like he's with you.
00:46:31
And I'll tell you one other story,
00:46:34
which is in my book.
00:46:37
And it's about my dad.
00:46:39
And this happened on my
00:46:40
forty ninth birthday.
00:46:40
I'm fifty two now.
00:46:43
And one of the things my dad
00:46:44
used to send me many things of was dimes.
00:46:48
And I used to get when he
00:46:49
passed away originally,
00:46:50
like they were like coming
00:46:53
out of the woodwork there
00:46:53
literally would show up everywhere.
00:46:55
It was just like dimes, dimes, dimes,
00:46:56
dimes everywhere.
00:46:58
I could actually be home
00:46:59
alone in the house and hear
00:47:01
a dime hit the floor and
00:47:02
walk in the living room.
00:47:03
There'll be one sitting there.
00:47:04
And I walked in and like, okay,
00:47:06
this is like, so like the cat would look,
00:47:09
I mean,
00:47:09
it was like the cat was saying it
00:47:10
wasn't me.
00:47:13
and uh so anyway um you know
00:47:15
sometimes those things stop
00:47:16
for sometimes you know and
00:47:18
I think we think that we
00:47:19
have to have things and and
00:47:22
I don't I don't really need
00:47:24
them I don't because I
00:47:25
still can have that I
00:47:26
thought about my dad and
00:47:27
and laugh and joke and
00:47:29
think about, you know,
00:47:30
even what it would look
00:47:31
like if he was driving
00:47:31
around the woods with me
00:47:32
and my side by side and cursing at me,
00:47:34
probably trying to hold his
00:47:35
beer or something like that.
00:47:37
I can have these memories,
00:47:38
like these thoughts that
00:47:39
really never happened,
00:47:40
but I can still have joy thinking about,
00:47:42
and I know that brings him
00:47:43
to me in that moment.
00:47:45
And we're,
00:47:45
and he's probably kind of
00:47:46
laughing with me about the
00:47:48
silly things that I'm
00:47:48
thinking about sometimes.
00:47:50
But so I spoke to him, you know,
00:47:53
prior to my forty ninth birthday.
00:47:55
And I said, you know, dad,
00:47:56
I hadn't had any dimes in a long time.
00:47:59
really nice if you could
00:48:00
just send me a couple you
00:48:01
know just a some weird and
00:48:03
unique and special way just
00:48:05
make sure however you do it
00:48:07
just make sure you get my
00:48:08
attention so that I know
00:48:09
without a doubt that this
00:48:11
was you and that's all I
00:48:12
said and I let it go I
00:48:14
didn't say you know I need
00:48:15
this at tuesday at two
00:48:17
o'clock and I need two
00:48:18
dimes by this you know you
00:48:20
know I'm not gonna be able
00:48:21
to pay my bus money or
00:48:22
something now I did I
00:48:23
didn't say anything like
00:48:24
that all I did was just put
00:48:25
it out there and I forgot
00:48:27
I let it go because I just let it go.
00:48:30
I gave it to him to work out
00:48:31
in some amazing way.
00:48:32
I know it's going to work out somehow,
00:48:33
but I just don't know when
00:48:34
and how and what that's
00:48:35
going to look like.
00:48:37
So on my forty ninth birthday,
00:48:39
I got up to go.
00:48:41
I actually wasn't going
00:48:42
anywhere because I work a lot.
00:48:44
So my wife,
00:48:46
who does home care at that time,
00:48:48
went to work.
00:48:49
She got up early at six a.m.
00:48:51
and I
00:48:51
I knew it was my birthday, forty nine.
00:48:53
She wasn't going to be home.
00:48:54
So my whole idea is I'm
00:48:55
going to be my PJs.
00:48:57
I'm going to watch like Netflix.
00:48:58
I'm just going to lay on the couch.
00:49:01
I'm not even going to get
00:49:02
showered that day.
00:49:04
I'm not going to do anything.
00:49:05
I'm going to go get my hat.
00:49:07
And I even put the hat on
00:49:08
the dresser the night before.
00:49:09
I was so intentional about doing nothing.
00:49:12
Yeah.
00:49:13
I had a plan set in motion
00:49:15
that this is what I'm going
00:49:15
to do for my birthday.
00:49:17
Nothing.
00:49:18
yeah so um I wake up
00:49:20
michelle's gone you know
00:49:21
nobody's in the house it's
00:49:22
just me and and uh and I
00:49:24
think okay well I'm gonna I
00:49:25
go I get up to go get my
00:49:26
hat that I put on the
00:49:28
dresser and in front of my
00:49:30
hats two dimes and I
00:49:34
stopped because they were
00:49:35
like like I even took a
00:49:36
picture I have on my phone
00:49:37
because it was just so
00:49:39
crazy and and so anyway I'm
00:49:41
looking at the dimes
00:49:41
they're like oh my god there's two dimes
00:49:46
And then my analytical brain goes,
00:49:48
maybe Michelle put them there.
00:49:50
So I called Michelle and I said, Michelle,
00:49:51
did you throw two dimes on my dresser,
00:49:53
you know, in front of my hat there?
00:49:54
She goes, no, I literally just got up,
00:49:57
showered and ran out of the house.
00:49:58
I don't have any money in my wallet.
00:49:59
Why the hell would I be
00:49:59
putting dimes on your hat?
00:50:01
I'm like, well, no,
00:50:02
I just have to rule it out, you know?
00:50:03
And she goes, it's probably just your dad.
00:50:06
And I thought about it and I
00:50:07
hung up and she had to go to work.
00:50:08
She said she was in a rush.
00:50:10
And I did.
00:50:10
I said, it was you, Dad.
00:50:12
And it was my forty ninth birthday.
00:50:15
And so anyway, when that happened,
00:50:18
you know,
00:50:18
I instead of just running
00:50:20
straight downstairs and watching TV,
00:50:22
I just had a little chat with him.
00:50:24
And I said, you know, dad,
00:50:24
I'm so appreciative that
00:50:26
you found this unique and special time.
00:50:29
Obviously it's my birthday.
00:50:30
So thank you for giving me these dimes.
00:50:32
I know this was you and I appreciate it.
00:50:34
And I love you.
00:50:34
Thank you for,
00:50:35
for remembering me on this special day.
00:50:37
It was just,
00:50:37
it's an amazing way to kind of
00:50:39
get my attention.
00:50:39
So thank you.
00:50:41
As I spoke to him standing alone in my,
00:50:44
in my bedroom.
00:50:46
you know,
00:50:47
I have my dresser and there's
00:50:48
like these little metal
00:50:49
latches on the dresser, you know,
00:50:50
like they lift up and you
00:50:52
can drop them and make a noise.
00:50:53
As I was standing there
00:50:54
talking to him and I just,
00:50:56
as I was finishing the
00:50:57
latch lifted up by itself and dropped.
00:51:00
Not very, like,
00:51:00
not like just went up a
00:51:02
little bit and went smack.
00:51:03
It just dropped and made a little clink.
00:51:05
Yeah.
00:51:06
And I saw it lift.
00:51:09
And for a moment I was a
00:51:10
little startled to tell you the truth.
00:51:12
Yeah, absolutely.
00:51:13
But then I thought,
00:51:14
what the hell am I being scared for?
00:51:15
This is my freaking father.
00:51:16
Yeah.
00:51:19
I think people are scared of spirit,
00:51:20
you know, even if it's your son, your mom,
00:51:22
or whoever, right?
00:51:23
Like, I mean, this is just,
00:51:25
sorry for my language,
00:51:26
but shit just got real.
00:51:27
No, it's all good.
00:51:27
And I'm like, and I cried, you know, and I,
00:51:33
you know, and for a moment, like,
00:51:36
because I felt him, you know,
00:51:37
I felt that connection again.
00:51:39
Yeah.
00:51:40
And I almost like, it's like I could hear,
00:51:42
I hear, as I was speaking to him,
00:51:44
I almost like I heard his
00:51:45
voice in my mind, and it said, I hear you,
00:51:46
son.
00:51:47
Yeah.
00:51:49
And I cried some more and
00:51:50
then I had to call Michelle back.
00:51:51
I said, she goes, I'm working.
00:51:53
I'm like, you got to hear this.
00:51:55
Then I went downstairs and watch TV,
00:51:57
but you know, it was, it was a moment,
00:52:00
you know,
00:52:00
I think sometimes we think those
00:52:02
things have to happen all the time.
00:52:04
I don't want them to happen all the time.
00:52:06
No, I don't.
00:52:08
You know,
00:52:08
I want them to happen in such a
00:52:10
way that it's so cool and
00:52:12
unique and profound that it is special.
00:52:15
Mm-hmm.
00:52:16
Not something that I was like, oh,
00:52:18
dad's here again.
00:52:19
And I throw them in the jar.
00:52:20
Because I do have a jar full of dimes.
00:52:22
But I don't want him to send
00:52:24
me like that anymore.
00:52:25
I want him to do it weird
00:52:27
and unique and special
00:52:28
times that really get my attention.
00:52:30
And that is more meaningful
00:52:31
to me than just finding the
00:52:33
dimes all around the house.
00:52:36
But maybe that's what I
00:52:36
needed at the beginning.
00:52:38
And he knew it.
00:52:39
And I think that's where
00:52:40
people work with us,
00:52:41
is they know that you need
00:52:43
to be reminded a lot.
00:52:44
It could be the song.
00:52:45
It could be the butterfly, the dragonfly.
00:52:48
It could be the different
00:52:49
signs and symbols, the picture,
00:52:51
the story that somebody just said.
00:52:53
There's lots of things that
00:52:55
they're speaking to us in
00:52:56
multitudes of ways.
00:52:59
And sometimes through our
00:53:00
thoughts and our memories, right?
00:53:02
Because I know that when they're putting,
00:53:03
I know when my grandmom talks to me,
00:53:06
you know,
00:53:06
because I'll be telling
00:53:07
something or I'll be
00:53:08
talking about my grandmom
00:53:09
and then she'll say, well,
00:53:09
you got to tell them this story.
00:53:11
I'm like, what?
00:53:12
Okay,
00:53:12
I guess I got to tell you this story.
00:53:14
And then she's like telling me,
00:53:15
because I've had
00:53:16
visitations with her too.
00:53:18
And I just kind of go with
00:53:20
the flow with whatever they
00:53:22
put in my mind to talk about,
00:53:23
because I know that's their
00:53:25
guiding me to help other people.
00:53:28
And I think when you notice that,
00:53:32
whatever you're doing,
00:53:33
teaching and such like that,
00:53:34
and everybody out there,
00:53:36
your people are talking to you too.
00:53:37
It's not just like spirit
00:53:39
talk or psychic mediums or
00:53:40
things like that.
00:53:41
We just might be a little
00:53:42
bit more aware of it.
00:53:42
But the more connected you become,
00:53:45
the more that communication
00:53:47
happens and the more you
00:53:48
engage with them and
00:53:49
remember them and speak to
00:53:50
them from a good,
00:53:52
and what you were saying before,
00:53:53
like there's a level of energy, right?
00:53:55
Where you focused on gratitude, right?
00:53:57
And it was like when my mom said, you know,
00:54:00
she was really pissed off that my dad
00:54:02
Came to me and not her.
00:54:04
Well, my mom was still in that heavy,
00:54:06
heavy, like wearing the, you know,
00:54:07
the lead jacket type of thing.
00:54:08
Right.
00:54:09
I wasn't.
00:54:11
So why did he come to me?
00:54:12
Because I was,
00:54:13
maybe my spirit was lifted
00:54:14
up a little bit more.
00:54:15
I was lighter.
00:54:16
I was maybe a little bit
00:54:17
higher vibrational energy
00:54:18
to make the connection.
00:54:19
Cause I know that there's a,
00:54:20
a difference of vibrational energy,
00:54:22
right?
00:54:22
It's a frequency and vibration.
00:54:24
Yeah.
00:54:25
And, um, you know,
00:54:26
those people like myself
00:54:27
who are spirit talkers and mediums, um,
00:54:30
you know,
00:54:30
make connections easier because they,
00:54:33
they,
00:54:33
they sometimes because of their
00:54:35
spiritual work,
00:54:35
their prayers or meditations,
00:54:37
their ceremonies that they do.
00:54:38
And it could be any culture
00:54:40
or anything like this.
00:54:41
And that's why there's many
00:54:42
people connect the spirit,
00:54:43
but that w because they're
00:54:46
naturally raising their
00:54:47
vibration through that work.
00:54:49
Yeah.
00:54:49
And they're able to kind of
00:54:50
like perceive and,
00:54:51
and get things here and
00:54:52
there more than some other people.
00:54:54
And I think people that, that are,
00:54:55
that are very heavy or stuck or somewhat,
00:54:59
they believe they're stuck anyway.
00:55:00
They're not, they're just, just, it's a,
00:55:02
it's a perception where
00:55:03
they are right now.
00:55:04
Um, you know,
00:55:05
that when they start to shift,
00:55:06
then maybe they'll have
00:55:08
that dream or maybe they
00:55:09
will have that visitation.
00:55:10
It's just, it's a shifting of your energy.
00:55:12
They need to know as well, cuz they,
00:55:15
they have to respect and
00:55:16
honor you and your process.
00:55:17
Right.
00:55:18
They love you unconditionally.
00:55:20
They know that you have to
00:55:21
go through a healing
00:55:21
process and they don't wanna like, um,
00:55:25
they want to help,
00:55:26
but they can't do it for you.
00:55:29
And they're going to remind
00:55:29
you that they're there,
00:55:31
but they're not going to
00:55:32
sit down all the time and
00:55:33
chat with you every minute.
00:55:35
And they got to let you go through that,
00:55:36
that, that time until you become lighter,
00:55:39
that your energy rises again.
00:55:41
And then they maybe reach
00:55:42
out with that very profound
00:55:43
visitation dream, you know,
00:55:45
and eventually my mom got there.
00:55:47
She did, but it took longer than me.
00:55:50
And, and that happens for some people.
00:55:53
And I, you know, I think, um, you know,
00:55:56
we need to, we sometimes think that, oh,
00:55:59
I'm blocked or I'm, but really we're just,
00:56:02
we're still uncovering what
00:56:04
we're supposed to be, you know?
00:56:06
And, and if, you know,
00:56:09
I feel like when I look at, uh,
00:56:11
times of suffering in my life, um,
00:56:15
I don't know if it was suffering,
00:56:17
maybe it was preparation, you know,
00:56:19
maybe I was preparing.
00:56:21
for what I was supposed to do.
00:56:23
That's, I mean,
00:56:24
that's the way that I
00:56:25
prefer to look at the
00:56:26
things that have happened
00:56:28
to me personally.
00:56:31
It's just, you know,
00:56:33
there's just so much that
00:56:34
we don't understand.
00:56:35
I want to ask you a question about,
00:56:38
because with your Mi'kmaq
00:56:41
heritage and nature,
00:56:46
So talk to me about, because I know for me,
00:56:49
nature is a grounding force
00:56:52
for me in such a way.
00:56:54
It's hard for me to put into
00:56:55
words when I just watch the
00:56:57
birds live in their lives
00:56:59
or I'm sitting out on my porch.
00:57:02
Talk to me about nature and
00:57:03
how we can use that to
00:57:05
raise our vibration.
00:57:08
Sure.
00:57:09
I mean, when we're in life, I mean,
00:57:11
in our space, I mean,
00:57:12
I do feel like because of
00:57:14
the energies that we hold,
00:57:15
even in your home and things like that,
00:57:17
that you can almost like
00:57:18
leave an imprint there of sorts,
00:57:20
an imprint of sorrow, an imprint of grief,
00:57:23
an imprint of anger or
00:57:24
fighting or what have you.
00:57:25
And some people can walk into a home and,
00:57:28
you know,
00:57:28
if there's a lot of like heaviness there,
00:57:29
they could feel that if
00:57:30
they walked into that.
00:57:31
Right.
00:57:32
But out in nature,
00:57:33
like there's no nature
00:57:35
doesn't necessarily hold on
00:57:36
to energy like that.
00:57:37
You know, the water will hold energy.
00:57:40
I mean,
00:57:40
there's been even experiments done
00:57:44
by Dr. Emoto with water and intentions,
00:57:47
you know, that water can hold intention.
00:57:49
But
00:57:50
You know, when you look through prayer,
00:57:52
I mean,
00:57:52
there's a great book out that the
00:57:53
messages and water where
00:57:55
people actually speak to
00:57:56
water and then they freeze it.
00:57:57
And the molecules of the
00:57:58
water freeze very uniquely
00:58:00
different depending on what
00:58:01
intention you're putting into it.
00:58:04
But nature is like,
00:58:05
let's say a blank slate.
00:58:07
Yeah.
00:58:08
it's,
00:58:08
it's a space that is not holding the
00:58:10
imprint of all that stuff
00:58:11
that's going on in life.
00:58:12
And when you are carrying
00:58:13
that in your spirit or your aura,
00:58:15
whatever you want to,
00:58:16
where you want to use in your,
00:58:17
your shockers that are
00:58:18
reading out into your aura that, you know,
00:58:21
uh, or, or your heavenly body,
00:58:23
it doesn't really matter.
00:58:23
It's all the same thing that, you know,
00:58:25
when you go out in nature,
00:58:27
there's this grounding that takes place.
00:58:30
You know, because it, you know, the trees,
00:58:32
the forest, I mean,
00:58:32
and the trees in the forest that, I mean,
00:58:34
they provide us with oxygen.
00:58:36
That is just, you know, that gives us life,
00:58:38
you know, and we have a good,
00:58:40
we can go out there and
00:58:40
meditate and just breathe.
00:58:42
And that green color,
00:58:43
that vibrant green color
00:58:44
that we're surrounded with
00:58:46
by the trees is a very
00:58:47
healing color as well.
00:58:49
And blue is a very emotional
00:58:51
healing color too.
00:58:52
We like with the water, et cetera.
00:58:53
And that, you know,
00:58:55
that holds energy on itself, you know,
00:58:57
of the creator.
00:58:58
it's a balance you know
00:58:59
everything out of nature
00:59:00
now in indigenous culture
00:59:04
and all indigenous people
00:59:05
share this belief.
00:59:06
We have a word in Mi'kmaq that we say, ,
00:59:10
which means all my relations.
00:59:14
And that meaning is that
00:59:16
when we see the trees,
00:59:17
and that's why when we take
00:59:19
the life of a tree to use
00:59:21
for a tool or for whatever,
00:59:23
we make an offering in
00:59:24
return for the spirit,
00:59:26
the light that is given us,
00:59:28
or the animal that we have to harvest
00:59:30
to provide sustenance for life,
00:59:32
that we respect all living
00:59:34
things because we know all
00:59:37
living things and things
00:59:39
that even you believe are not living,
00:59:41
whether they're grandfather
00:59:43
rocks or grandmother moon
00:59:45
and grandfather sun, and the water itself,
00:59:51
everything has spirit.
00:59:53
there's a light,
00:59:54
there's a vibration within it.
00:59:55
You know, there's a, there's a,
00:59:57
and even with your, your, your,
01:00:00
your plants, there's been tests out there,
01:00:02
even with intentions,
01:00:03
like thoughts towards plants, plants,
01:00:07
you know,
01:00:08
And grow from intention and
01:00:10
energy as well.
01:00:11
Right.
01:00:12
And if you take two plants
01:00:13
and you put one to the left
01:00:15
and you say how much you
01:00:16
love this plant and you
01:00:17
water it with so much love and joy,
01:00:19
and then you speak to the other one,
01:00:20
you say, I hate you.
01:00:21
You're disgusting.
01:00:22
You make me sick.
01:00:23
That one will die or not grow very well.
01:00:26
Right.
01:00:27
So, yeah.
01:00:28
You know, for us,
01:00:29
when we go into nature and
01:00:31
as indigenous people,
01:00:32
the Mcent Noga means we
01:00:34
recognize the spirit in all things.
01:00:38
We see the spirit in the grass, the trees,
01:00:40
the oceans, the air, grandfather, son,
01:00:43
grandmother, moon, grandfather, sky,
01:00:45
that we recognize that we
01:00:46
are one with all of this
01:00:49
that surrounds us.
01:00:51
And it's this connection.
01:00:52
I mean, quantum physics, you know,
01:00:54
has come up with this
01:00:54
theory today that we're all
01:00:55
connected today.
01:00:56
But, you know,
01:00:56
digital people knew that a long,
01:00:58
long time ago.
01:00:59
And we may not have used the
01:01:01
scientific words, but we had our own,
01:01:03
I guess, scientific words.
01:01:05
It's just we experienced
01:01:06
this delight in the life
01:01:08
force energy that exists
01:01:09
within all things.
01:01:11
And even Joshua,
01:01:12
like Jesus back in the day.
01:01:13
And I'm not super Christian
01:01:15
by means because I'm an indigenous person,
01:01:16
but there are people that are.
01:01:18
He even had teachings on this.
01:01:20
And one of the things he said was,
01:01:22
if you lift up a rock,
01:01:24
you will find me here.
01:01:25
If you lift up a stone or
01:01:26
you split a piece of wood,
01:01:28
you'll find me there.
01:01:29
It's the same teaching.
01:01:31
There is no place that spirit is not.
01:01:36
Spirit is in everything.
01:01:37
Everything has a life force
01:01:39
energy and a spirit within it.
01:01:40
And when you go out into nature,
01:01:43
you're reconnecting with
01:01:45
source of sorts because
01:01:46
it's all around us.
01:01:47
And there's no...
01:01:49
the heaviness of the space that you're in.
01:01:51
There's no anger there.
01:01:53
There's just unconditional love,
01:01:55
acceptance.
01:01:56
There's a peace.
01:01:56
There's balance.
01:01:58
And that's what nature
01:01:59
brings is that balance.
01:02:01
And when you can surround yourself with it,
01:02:03
it may actually help you
01:02:04
balance yourself.
01:02:06
The colors of the forest,
01:02:08
the colors of the water,
01:02:10
the air that you breathe, it's all.
01:02:14
And if you can do this in a
01:02:15
good positive thinking way,
01:02:16
then that's going to be
01:02:18
really good for you.
01:02:19
Because your intentions, your thoughts,
01:02:21
even when you're in around these places,
01:02:23
you can go in there and
01:02:23
hate being in the forest.
01:02:24
You can go in the water and
01:02:25
hate being in the water.
01:02:27
You can go for a walk and
01:02:28
hate going for a walk.
01:02:30
That's not really being
01:02:31
present and enjoying the
01:02:33
space and moment for which
01:02:34
you are because we're creators.
01:02:37
But you can also create that
01:02:38
I'm connected to everything,
01:02:39
that we are one and that
01:02:41
we're in balance and peace
01:02:42
and harmony in this moment.
01:02:45
And that's at M. Sat Nogama.
01:02:46
When we say that,
01:02:47
when we say a prayer or
01:02:48
anything like that,
01:02:49
we end all of our
01:02:51
ceremonies with M. Sat Nogama.
01:02:53
It's because we know we're
01:02:54
validating and remembering
01:02:56
the connection to all things,
01:02:58
the balance in all things.
01:03:00
That is incredibly beautiful.
01:03:03
And I know, you know,
01:03:05
when I'm out in nature,
01:03:06
you can't help but see how
01:03:08
everything works together so perfectly.
01:03:11
It does.
01:03:11
It's a balance and harmony.
01:03:13
You know, it's balance and harmony,
01:03:15
and yet we as humans can
01:03:20
manufacture struggle.
01:03:22
And when we're in nature,
01:03:24
you just need to look around and say,
01:03:25
okay, it doesn't need to be as difficult,
01:03:28
does it?
01:03:28
We don't need to struggle.
01:03:30
And there's one card I have in here.
01:03:33
Let me see if I can find it right now.
01:03:34
I'll show it to you.
01:03:35
And this kind of will help
01:03:36
teach something.
01:03:38
I'll find it here.
01:03:39
It's a really good card to
01:03:40
teach this to you.
01:03:43
And you'll get to see some
01:03:44
of the artwork in the cards.
01:03:46
Oh, I would love that.
01:03:46
Different cards in here with
01:03:48
different meanings and kind of sayings.
01:03:49
It's not like... They're
01:03:52
more spiritual guidance
01:03:53
cards or like cards to
01:03:55
think about life in a specific way,
01:03:56
you know?
01:03:57
I'd love them.
01:04:03
And the artwork is from...
01:04:04
This is the card I'm sitting on,
01:04:05
all my relations.
01:04:06
Beautiful.
01:04:08
Is it going to be the last
01:04:09
card that I take out of the deck or what?
01:04:10
There it is.
01:04:13
This one.
01:04:14
Oh, that's beautiful.
01:04:17
Now,
01:04:17
this card is called the forest and
01:04:21
support.
01:04:21
Now, on top of the earth,
01:04:23
we may see every tree is separate and,
01:04:27
you know, of each other.
01:04:28
And there's different types of trees,
01:04:29
just like there are people.
01:04:30
You know, you've got a spruce tree,
01:04:31
you've got a maple tree,
01:04:32
you've got a fir tree,
01:04:34
you've got birch trees, et cetera.
01:04:35
But underneath the earth,
01:04:39
all trees are there
01:04:40
supporting each other and
01:04:41
holding each other up all
01:04:42
of their roots wrap around
01:04:44
each other almost like
01:04:45
they're holding hands and
01:04:46
there's this unconditional
01:04:48
love that they support each
01:04:49
other that we don't get to
01:04:52
experience because it's
01:04:53
beneath the surface of the
01:04:54
soil that we don't always
01:04:55
see but all trees are there
01:04:58
holding each other up and I
01:05:00
think if we can kind of
01:05:01
think about that as people
01:05:03
You know, in the same sense,
01:05:05
because you may be going
01:05:07
through one thing and
01:05:07
somebody may be going
01:05:08
through something different.
01:05:10
But underneath it all,
01:05:11
we should be there to
01:05:11
support and help each other
01:05:12
to be well and stand tall
01:05:14
and be strong and to live a good life.
01:05:17
And that's what the that's
01:05:19
what trees can teach us.
01:05:20
It depends on how you look at it.
01:05:22
And that's like a teaching,
01:05:23
an indigenous teaching of sorts.
01:05:26
And Elder shared that with me.
01:05:29
So when I go out into the forest,
01:05:30
I think about how all these
01:05:31
trees love each other,
01:05:33
and they're holding each other up here,
01:05:34
trying to stand strong.
01:05:37
That's beautiful.
01:05:38
And I just have to say,
01:05:40
for the audience that's
01:05:41
going to be listening to this on audio,
01:05:43
you really need to go to Sean's website.
01:05:47
The illustration, that's stunning.
01:05:50
It's just beautiful.
01:05:52
um for these cards uh I was
01:05:55
I was looking at them
01:05:56
before the show started as
01:05:57
well and and the
01:05:58
illustration that you just
01:06:00
held up with the trees and
01:06:02
the connection below the
01:06:03
roots um it just speaks
01:06:06
like we all have that
01:06:07
connection it's maybe not
01:06:08
visible to us with our
01:06:09
naked eye but we are all
01:06:11
connected just like the
01:06:12
roots of the trees right
01:06:15
yeah so go sit out in the
01:06:16
forest and that's what I do
01:06:17
sometimes if you just go
01:06:19
sit in the forest and just
01:06:21
contemplate that how much
01:06:22
each tree despite their
01:06:23
differences and how they
01:06:25
are and you know the way
01:06:26
they look and the way they
01:06:27
stand they all are there to
01:06:29
support each other and love
01:06:30
each other unconditionally
01:06:32
they can't no the spruce
01:06:33
tree can't go to the cedar
01:06:34
tree that he's standing
01:06:35
besides I don't really want
01:06:36
to be with you
01:06:39
You, you,
01:06:40
you cast shade on me all day long, buddy.
01:06:43
No, it's no, it's like, you know,
01:06:46
thank you for being here
01:06:47
and helping me stand tall.
01:06:48
Yeah.
01:06:48
And that's what we need to
01:06:51
be doing for each other.
01:06:52
Um,
01:06:54
Do you have any messages for
01:06:56
our audience from Spirit today?
01:06:58
Just a general message you want to... Well,
01:07:00
I think that would be the message,
01:07:02
the card.
01:07:03
Like I said, this is the card.
01:07:04
The four support card, number thirty-two,
01:07:07
and Wisdom of the Elders Oracle cards.
01:07:09
I think that's the message
01:07:10
that probably people needed to hear.
01:07:11
Considering we went there
01:07:13
with the conversation,
01:07:14
I think Spirit had the
01:07:15
intention to kind of share
01:07:16
that and teach with people.
01:07:17
If I was to, you know...
01:07:20
you know because everybody
01:07:21
out here that's listening
01:07:22
or watching or however
01:07:24
they're like taking in this
01:07:25
uh podcast and online or
01:07:27
what have you that you know
01:07:29
think about how you can
01:07:30
support everyone else you
01:07:31
know yourself because I
01:07:32
mean you also have to like
01:07:34
you know take care of
01:07:35
yourself because you can't
01:07:36
really like you know you
01:07:38
can't be the tree in the
01:07:39
forest you know saying okay
01:07:40
well you drink all the
01:07:40
water you know you have the
01:07:42
the best earth you know and
01:07:43
I'll just stand here you
01:07:44
know you got to take care of yourself too
01:07:47
You've got to love yourself.
01:07:50
Don't think that you're not
01:07:52
equal to everything that's all around you,
01:07:54
despite all the stuff
01:07:54
you've been through.
01:07:55
You might think that your
01:07:57
experiences are so unique
01:07:58
and different that you have
01:08:00
it harder than others.
01:08:01
And you may have it harder
01:08:03
than a lot of people.
01:08:05
But there is also a lot of
01:08:06
people that have it way
01:08:07
worse than each and every one of us.
01:08:09
Exactly.
01:08:11
And those people that are deceased,
01:08:12
I don't think they're the
01:08:13
ones that are suffering.
01:08:14
It's us.
01:08:16
I don't believe in suffering
01:08:17
of people that moved on
01:08:18
beyond the physical.
01:08:21
They've moved beyond the suffering part.
01:08:24
They have empathy.
01:08:26
They have empathy for my experience.
01:08:27
They have empathy and love for all of us.
01:08:29
And they're them working
01:08:31
with me or any other person
01:08:32
like myself is to help you to be strong,
01:08:35
be well, and to complete your life.
01:08:38
And then when you, when you go home,
01:08:39
they'll be there waiting for you.
01:08:40
And they'll be like,
01:08:41
there'll be like a super big party.
01:08:42
Like, oh my God, they made it.
01:08:45
I can't believe they made it,
01:08:46
but they made it.
01:08:48
You know, it'd be like this, like, oh,
01:08:49
wow.
01:08:49
Just,
01:08:50
and it'll just seem like it was just
01:08:52
the other day that you were there anyway.
01:08:54
It's like a bad camping trip that you, you,
01:08:56
you,
01:08:56
you want to forget about for a little
01:08:57
bit.
01:08:58
I'm, you know,
01:09:01
I'm looking forward to my mom's cooking.
01:09:02
Cause she could,
01:09:03
she could cook up a scoff.
01:09:05
I tell you,
01:09:06
I'm sure she'd be over there having a big,
01:09:07
big feed for you and stuff like that.
01:09:09
Yeah.
01:09:11
So, um,
01:09:13
in my global gratitude for just one
01:09:15
little thing, as I said,
01:09:17
we find gratitude in the
01:09:18
little things and none of
01:09:20
it is ever really materialistic.
01:09:22
So.
01:09:23
And today,
01:09:25
I am so incredibly thankful that
01:09:29
you shared a little bit of
01:09:30
Stephen with me today.
01:09:32
That was a huge gift.
01:09:33
And I can't wait to share
01:09:35
the gift with my husband
01:09:36
when we get off this podcast.
01:09:37
He's just going to be so happy as well.
01:09:40
So that's one big thing for me.
01:09:42
I am very thankful for that.
01:09:43
So what's your one little thing today?
01:09:46
My little thing today is that
01:09:49
I get to embrace life to the
01:09:52
fullest every day and that
01:09:54
I'm here with you and that
01:09:55
I'm present with you.
01:09:56
I'm nowhere else,
01:09:57
but here with you right now.
01:09:59
I have other things I got to do today.
01:10:01
I'll be there when I'm there,
01:10:02
but right now I'm just
01:10:03
happy because I'm here with you.
01:10:05
That's beautiful.
01:10:08
Before we close out,
01:10:10
I need you to tell
01:10:11
everybody how they can find
01:10:12
you and your books and what
01:10:14
you're going to be doing
01:10:16
over the next few months.
01:10:17
Okay, well, my book, Spirit Talker,
01:10:20
and my Oracle card, Wisdom of the Elders,
01:10:23
can be found on heyhost.com,
01:10:25
which is an American publishing company.
01:10:27
You can also find it on
01:10:28
Amazon and most bookstores
01:10:30
down in the U.S.,
01:10:31
and if they don't have it in store,
01:10:32
they can bring it in
01:10:33
because it's pretty much
01:10:34
everywhere down there.
01:10:36
If you want to find me,
01:10:37
I also have links on my own website,
01:10:39
two different sites you can buy the book.
01:10:40
My website is Sean, S-H-A-W-N, hyphen,
01:10:44
like the middle line, Leonard,
01:10:46
l-e-o-n-a-r-d dot com and
01:10:49
all my social media stuff
01:10:50
links and etc is on there
01:10:52
you can find me on facebook
01:10:53
if you look for indigenous
01:10:54
indigenous medium sean
01:10:55
leonard you can also search
01:10:57
for that and uh what do I
01:10:59
come I got coming up well
01:11:01
I'm going to south carolina
01:11:02
charleston south carolina
01:11:04
on october fifth with hay
01:11:05
house to do uh a live uh
01:11:08
you know,
01:11:08
discussion and reading event with
01:11:11
nine other authors called
01:11:13
Mystical Connections.
01:11:14
I'm really looking forward to that.
01:11:15
I'll be there with like John Holland,
01:11:17
Colette Baron-Reed, Kyle Gray,
01:11:19
Sonia Shokat, a bunch of people.
01:11:21
And we'll all be sharing
01:11:22
like a twenty minute teaching.
01:11:23
And I think all of us will
01:11:24
be doing different
01:11:25
different like it's like
01:11:27
reading sessions in a group setting.
01:11:29
So there's a bunch of screens everywhere.
01:11:31
And anyway,
01:11:32
spirit comes through and then I
01:11:34
connect to somebody and
01:11:35
somebody I point out who it's for.
01:11:37
And then they come up and
01:11:37
then I start giving
01:11:38
messages from their loved
01:11:40
ones for a moment.
01:11:41
And then I do as many as
01:11:42
those I can with the time that I have.
01:11:45
and um in in around my neck
01:11:47
of the woods up in in
01:11:49
canada I have uh three
01:11:50
events coming in uh new
01:11:53
brunswick where I'll be
01:11:54
like traveling the monkton
01:11:55
fredericton in saint john
01:11:57
where I'll be doing
01:11:57
librarians I just did one
01:11:59
on friday here in halifax
01:12:00
nova scotia to uh a sold
01:12:02
out crowd which is amazing
01:12:04
that so many people are
01:12:05
coming to listen to me
01:12:06
speak and and you know
01:12:08
witness and be part of the
01:12:09
whole process of spirit
01:12:11
connection and
01:12:11
communication I think it's amazing that
01:12:13
People are shifting their
01:12:16
perspectives from
01:12:17
separation and thinking
01:12:20
that this is not possible
01:12:21
to seeing that it is.
01:12:24
And I love that because it's
01:12:25
not... And when you come to
01:12:27
see somebody like me on TV or whatever,
01:12:29
again, it's only not to say, okay, well,
01:12:31
this guy's got it.
01:12:32
No, it's to say, hey,
01:12:34
this is possible for me too.
01:12:35
I mean, what one person could do,
01:12:39
other people can do.
01:12:41
And it's in us.
01:12:42
It's who we are.
01:12:43
And it's remembering that
01:12:44
and understanding how
01:12:46
spirit can communicate.
01:12:47
And it's not too far out there.
01:12:48
It's not complex.
01:12:50
It's very simple.
01:12:51
And once you know it and you experience it,
01:12:55
your life can never be the same.
01:12:57
It cannot.
01:13:00
Thank you so much.
01:13:03
This has been incredible.
01:13:05
I am just so grateful for you.
01:13:07
And I
01:13:08
I do hope that you will come
01:13:09
back again and chat some more.
01:13:12
For sure.
01:13:13
Absolutely.
01:13:13
You just let me know when
01:13:14
you'd like to have me back
01:13:15
in the future and I'd be
01:13:16
more than willing to come back.
01:13:17
And thank you for having me on Kelly.
01:13:19
And thank you for all the
01:13:20
viewers who have tuned in
01:13:22
to kind of watch this.
01:13:22
Maybe you're obviously were
01:13:24
meant to be here and hear
01:13:25
something because Spirit
01:13:26
brought you here.
01:13:27
So there must've been
01:13:28
something you needed to learn today.
01:13:30
So thank you for being here too.
01:13:31
Thank you.
01:13:32
Okay.
01:13:33
And thanks everybody.
01:13:34
We'll see you next time.
01:13:36
Okay.